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One more 'Shot' into Emptiness.

There is a basic assumption which the seeker appears to make.
That is that ‘it’ can see, hear, do and be. - The pure functions of seeing, hearing etc., have nothing to do with anything called a seeker. - They cut straight through the mind patterns.
The immediate and unmediated 'samskara' (impressions) are a source of wakeful stimulation. - The stored samskara of memory are usually an obscuration, if dwelt upon.

The news that the 'seeker' will never ‘get’ the Non Duality ultimate ‘prize’, which is commonly called ‘enlightenment’, can never be appealing to that belief in being a seeker, to that mind construct called ‘you’.
The ever potent so-called non dual ‘message’ is simply addressed to the true essence, which is beyond the surface of a persona.
So, that elusive ‘enlightenment’ is actually an impossibility or just a spiritual dream. - What that word 'enlightenment' infers is the light of the presence, the ever present actuality, which is consistently overlooked.
- It is overlooked simply because ‘it’ is not any ‘thing’ or state of affairs and its obviousness is simply far too obvious. - To the annoyance of all 'seekers', there are many accounts of some who can't stop laughing when it is recognized.
- The nature of dualistic mind is to discriminate and THIS can never be discriminated, since its very nature is emptiness. - When the minds content is seen clearly without attaching some identity to it or in attaching some entity to that which is seeing, then the view is clear. - (It's actually always clear - too obvious!)
The seeker can never enter into the clarity of the natural state. - It can't 'do' anything at all.
It, the seeker, is just an appearance that appears in the natural state and disappears without a trace.
Its repetition is simply habitual and its seeming substantiality appears real only because it has not been investigated thoroughly.
- Follow that through and the game is over!
Be warned, once the game is over, few will want to hear about it or understand what you wish to convey.
The so-called seekers mind is dotted with passing reference points. It connects all the apparent ‘dots’ and makes up stories, and in that activity it can never find a resting place.
- All the answers that arise in the mind are just more dots.
- If a scientist could calculate how much material there is in the universe, I suspect that it would amount to a miniscule percentage in relation to 'the space in which it all appears'.
- The same percentage relates to all these dots and problems we think we have.
By resting in that pure space of knowing, then these so-called ‘problems’ take on their relative proportion. - Mountains from Mole hills. - Last years, or last weeks dramas have all disappeared.
Life naturally flows with an ease and the apparent ‘me’ appears and disappears without incident. - The intellect will balk at such statements. - “Yes But…..etc”
All that is simply a conceptual parade in associative thought patterns. They are a resistence to what is natural and obvious. - How absurd!
How many concepts have you witnessed? - Which one's were of benefit to you?
Did any ever harmed you?
- Investigate that and it's the end of the game.
By looking clearly and honestly at those questions, it can only bring you 'back' to the this clear and present moment of awareness. - This immediate space of knowing has no room or place for any ‘problem’ to settle in.
- See the truth of that and its over. - Ah but it is far too obvious!
-"It can't be that simple" says the seeker. - Oh but it is!
All these apparently sporadic ‘times’ of ‘conscious presence’ are actually an absence of belief in substantiality. - Too obvious to notice!
No ‘seeker’ worth his ‘salt’ will ever agree with these words.
I know what the seeker is. - The ‘seeker’ has been vanquished here.
- The benefit of that, is that the ‘seeker’ there is also vanquished. You only need to realize that and know fully that you are not a seeker at all. - Far too obvious!
Therefore I quote Clint, and say to the seeker: “Go Ahead Punk, Make my day”.
All these words are forming into a pointing finger, aimed into that space of seeing, in you.
Nothing can touch that emptiness and its ever fresh nature is far too obvious and so you have missed it over and over.
What more can I say?
Like Krishnamurti said: “For forty years I have been singing to the deaf”.

Email response:
Dear Gilbert,

Not everyone is deaf! - It's all very clear here now. - For the past two weeks I have been mainly on my own with no agenda so there has been constant & intense watching of the mind. - Awareness is in the foreground now. - I know I am that. - I see "my story" appearing each morning and it no longer fools me. - I can with all confidence say that I am no longer a seeker. - Love from S.......

Secret Code:
Seekers want ‘the secret code’ and they want it put into everyday language. - Why? - Because they keep looking through concepts! - So many gurus give out endless concepts to ensnare thier devotees.
Take careful note of this: - The genuine teacher or guru robs you consistently of concepts. He does this simply to reveal the source of awareness.

Bob Adamson is a remarkable example of how this Non Dual explanation can be expressed so simply. - It is in fact not an explanation at all. - He may repeat certain points over and over. It is coming directly from the immediate knowing, so it carries with it a potency.
For most it takes a 'staying with it' until that knowing saturates as it disperses erroneous beliefs. - Most seekers jump from one concept or teacher to another in their frantic search. Most want to protect the illusion of being someone 'special'.
It's a dead end track to nowhere but who wants to know that?
Even though Bob is so straight about it all, intellectuals will ask: “Can you put that into everyday language?” - Well the concepts of common consciousness are all rather gross.
- How can a rarefied conceptual pointing ever be put into everyday language?
- Yet Bob seems to do just that. - How remarkable!

Let's face it. - If you really wanted this realization of the ease of being, then you would have taken the steps by now. - Instead of consuming endless non dual literature in some vague hope of some wonderous event overtaking you, why not get fair dinkum? - No one can do it for you.
Anyone who really absorbs what Bob is saying, cannot survive as a seeker. - I know because that it how it happened for me. - Now I find is difficult to remember what being a seeker is like.
It is just a bunch of stories which have lost their 'sting' or 'pull'. - Anyway, why would I even want to remember it?
Most spiritual teachers have got it up side down and back the front. - It is NOT about acquisition.
It is about discarding the erroneous beliefs and little more than that. - The problem is that the 'me' is woven into those beliefs. - It is the primary split in perception. It must be uncovered as being a false premise. - Sure it is 'old' and steeped in habit. - Never the less it has no power over pure seeing. - See that and it is over.

If the intellect insists that it has ‘got it’, even though it is obvious it has got nothing, then even that nothing cannot convince it, 'until' that intellectual posing is penetrated or seen through.
- The ego base and spiritual arrogance of many seekers and even some teachers is simply absurd to witness. - How many of them hero worship Ramana Maharshi? - How many have realized what he so simply pointed at?
There is a common guru trick of talking about unconditional love. - It’s an old one but a seemingly effective one for binding souls to a system.
– It sells heaps of books. - Go into any spiritual bookshop and you are immediately surrounded by a million pages about unconditional love.
Why does it appear to work so well? - Because we want that tender and intimate connection so badly. – And we have been burnt so many times when it looked oh so promising.

He takes me in his arms and says: “As I look into your eyes I melt like butter in the midday sun”. - Six months later, she says: “I can’t stand him around me”.
It’s all about ‘me’ and the ‘other’.
Promising seekers a ‘secret code’ is a sure way to enhance that retirement fund.

The voice of a so-called genuine teacher will rarely speak of love, if at all. - And when he does it is because someone else has used the word in a question.

I could easily go on about love and attract ten or a hundred fold to this website.

- I know all the words to say and how to put it into a lovely soup for the ignorant. - Trouble is, it is exposed immediately as a fraudulent parade of hypnotic jargon. - I prefer some breathing space. - Not being pestered by doting admirers is good enough for me.

Contemplate this word love. - See how seductive it is and how the mind swoons so easily into imagination. - The ones who over use the word have an agenda. - Why speak of it at all?

Who can really speak of love?

Love is not a concept. - It is an aspect of the nature of Non Duality.

- Love is another word for Being or Awareness.

- Love is not a problem. - Sex is not a problem.

- It is what we apparently make them into that seemingly creates the dramas of life.

How many wars have been started over love or attachment? - All of them!

- But it is always about a 'ME' and 'Not Me'. - Duality!

Let me remind you that your apparent interest is in Non Duality.

Non Duality is far too obvious - you can't get out of it!

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It is up to you!

Today's Note:

It is very simple and so it is bypassed by the busy mind.
A 'person' is simply a series of beliefs, which appear to reside in the mind's terrain.
It is all ancillary to direct knowledge or more accurately, Direct Knowing.
Direct Knowing does not need to be freed from whatever the mind appears to be caught in.
- The 'entity', which feels that it is caught, is only a reference point, which is attached via identification with other reference points. All these are from memory and none of them are contained in the immediate and direct evidence of presence awareness. - It is this content of mind which appears to need to be corrected with more accurate information.
- When the projected terrain of belief in these reference points is dropped, then the 'problem' dissolves.
In direct cognition there are no problems whatsoever. - That also means that there is no entity there in that simple space of knowing. This can easily be ascertained with a simple investigation. Paradoxically, the mind content appears to avoid this investigation, since such a direct investigation would in fact dissolve its apparent control. As Nisargadatta says, "The mind is a good servant but a bad master".
Now since the obvious clarity of the Oneness of all things is directly cognized, not only by the so-called 'sage' but also by every single mind-body organism without exception, how can we say that we do not see it?
Where is the problem?
All problems are contained within a kind of 'geometry' patterns of reference points.
When all this geometry is not referred to, then the clear and open view comes to the fore.
- Even so, this view is always present, just overlooked.
Whether reference points appear to be binding or not does not affect the fact that you are present and aware.
Some teachers say that silence arises between thoughts. - This is a complete error.
It is totally misleading and shows a certain kind of ignorance. - Silence is the ground from which all sound arises. - Speech is an expression or extension of thought. - It is subtle vibration.
- The silence is not affected by the sound. - No sound can overcome silence. - Even the most noisy and exuberant Football crowd is swallowed by silence.
Standing on a mountain above a city, I heard the gentle hum of the city. - In the midst of it, it was a great deal louder. - Flying high up in the atmosphere in a Balloon basket, the combined sounds of the Earth are not even noticed. It's all relative.
Silence is an aspect of the Totality.
Sound versus silence is dualistic notions only. - Unconditional love versus conditional love is just dualistic nonsense. - All teachers who rant and rave about unconditional love are deluding themselves and their followers.
However, when these gurus and teachers speak of it, their seeker followers swoon into emotional delusions. - And they love it.
Once one is out of it, there is no concern with it.
It is no comfort to those who refuse to let go of habitual beliefs but it is rare that a seeker reaches the point of emergence from its delusions.
- Most turn back to 'the familiar' insecure beliefs.
It is just the way it is.
It does not have to be that way.
It is up to you!
Some say there is nothing you can do about it.
What use is such sprouting?
If you do not pay close attention to the immediacy of life, then these patterns will hold you in their repeating orbit.

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MEETING RANJIT MAHARAJ

http://www.inner-quest.org/Images/R72.gifanjit Maharaj was born in Bombay on January 4th, 1913. At the age of 12, he met his master Siddharameshwar Maharaj, a great unknown master of the age. Ranjit Maharaj did not begin to teach until 1983 at the age of 70 when increasing numbers of seekers kept showing up at his door. His teaching is in the continuity of his master's, which emphasises simplicity and directeness in language.

The specificity of Maharaj's teaching is its radical stand and directness - All is illusion, the "I" is illusion, so whatever the "I" does is also illusion. Therefore, he does not give any method to improve that which is not, the illusion. Through knowledge and the rejection of all false identifications that one has taken upon oneself, the veils of ignorance are removed and we realise our true nature."To find out your true nature is the easiest thing since you are That." 

Knowledge is a mere remedy to cure the disease of ignorance, and once ignorance has vanished, knowledge has no more entity. "In Reality, there is neither knowledge nor ignorance. When I do not exist, when I am not, He only is and that is Reality, that is Ourselves without ourselves."

Ranjit Maharaj passed away on November 15th, 2000 at 6:16 PM at his residence in Bombay. Maharaj's words during his last few days were, "It is of no use now, this has to go".

In June of 1996, he visited Brittany, on the French Atlantic coast, and during his stay he met with visitors and answered their questions. The following selections are from this period.

REALITY

If you want to follow a practise, you have to follow someone who is realised. Methods are full of frustrations and give no real satisfaction. Reality has no method. Illusion has many methods, many problems and many concepts. To overcome illusion, or concepts, one should ask, "From where does all this thinking arise?" Thinking is always of other things. To know the thoughtless Reality, no thinking is required. It is where there is no thought. Whatever thing you think of doesn't exist. Everything is He only, and apart from Him there is nothing in the world. Whatever is thought of, makes Him something other than what He is. When thinking ends, what happens? You go to zero.

Awakening is nothing but a complete, thorough understanding. A clear cut understanding of a thing is awakening. Reality is not to be achieved, it is there. After this thorough understanding, nothing is required.

As long as the body is there, he acts. He calls his mother 'mother', and his wife 'wife'. But still he knows. If somebody asks him, "What is your name?", he gives his name, but he knows, "I am not this." That clear cut understanding is required. Complete understanding is called 'That'. Be in 'That'. Be like a lotus leaf - you are produced in water, you live in water , but you are not touched by water. Stay like that, nothing else. Once you know, "I am not this", then you become doubtless. My Master told me, "After understanding, if you want to stay, then stay. Stay in jail, but remember: "I am not a victim."" One cannot afford to leave the illusory so fast, so live there, but understand that , "I'm not the victim." Ego is such; in very many different shapes and different ways, he remains. So, one should always be aware, and then, once you are complete, there is nothing to worry about. What you see is illusion. If you understand that 'myself' is illusion, then where does everything remain? People don't understand that illusion is nothing. How can it block you? How can nothing block you?

What you see and perceive is in you and not outside. You are not the body, take it for granted. When the mind takes up any thought and gets attached to it, then everything is seen as 'other' than Him.

In human nature, fear is always there. Everyone has fear, because, they believe "I am the body." Mind creates this fear and is nothing but your own concept. Fear arises in the mind due to the unsteadiness of the world. Every minute is changing. If you go beyond darkness and knowledge, then there is no fear at all. For example, a screen has no fear of any picture because it is steady. So, that which is not steady always has fear. Your mind changes every moment and cannot remain steady by itself. If your mind knows its own source or its own beginning, then only it can be happy. As long as there is a body, there is fear. If you want to be fearless, be what is fearless, because that which is has no end. The final Reality has no end and no beginning, it is limitless. It is so subtle, that all thoughts and concepts stop. Duality contains fear, oneness has no fear.

Take out the thorn of the ego. Take out the name and the shape and there is nothing. You see by your own understanding that everything is illusion. Experience it! You don't want to see because the mind doesn't allow you to see. The mind is the only hurdle which keeps you away from you. The mind says, "It is true." Tell the mind, "It is not true." Understand the mind, and then it doesn't remain.

You can see the space, you can observe the space, you can feel the space, but Reality is beyond space. Space is zero, where there is no silence, no voice, no peace, no state. All these are conditional things. Silence is also not He, peace is not He. He has nothing. If anything would have been there, then that would have been Reality, and not He. Nothing can disturbs Him because it doesn't exist. Nothing is required for Reality, otherwise it would have disturbed that Reality.

Then, the aspirant may ask, "What should I do?" Do nothing! Words only go up to the space. Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita, "There, from where the words come, That is my Self." That is my Self. In the Bible, Christ also said the same thing: "Know thyself and you know the world." Go up to where thinking ends, go up to That, and there is the Self. So, I always call it, "Self without self". Self-realisation is Self without self. As long as 'realising' remains, self remains. The eyes have got the habit to see that which is not. The Master takes you up to That, up to the Reality and says, "Understand yourself." This is the position.

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KNOWLEDGE AND IGNORANCE

Siddharameshwar Maharaj first gave knowledge, while our mythologists say that one should have renunciation first, then receive knowledge. He said that renunciation without knowledge is useless. It becomes a bondage of the mind. For example, a nice meal is prepared. There is a sweet smell and everybody wants to eat. But you tell the others, "Don't eat." They ask you, "Why not?" You then let them know that there is poison in the food. The knowledge of the poison leads to immediate renunciation. So, if at first there is knowledge, renunciation automatically must come.

First mental understanding is required and after that comes a practical understanding. Intellectual talent is the greatest thing. Without the intellect, one cannot understand. So, you have to understand with the full intellect and then, that knowledge, or that understanding will submerge, because knowledge is a thought. A good thought or a bad thought, both are thoughts. So, knowledge is a golden thorn, and ignorance is an ordinary thorn and both are bondage. Suppose your hands have been put in handcuffs. Maybe they're iron cuffs or maybe they're golden, but it's still bondage. So, both are thorns. One should understand and throw them away. It is very difficult to throw out the knowledge, because ego remains up till knowledge. Knowledge is the ego, nothing else. To erase that knowledge, one should say, "I know nothing." As Socrates said; "I know that I don't know."

There is no experience in Reality. What experience have you got when you sleep? That knowledge, or power is there and everything else is not. It is beyond ignorance and knowledge. For example, darkness and light go together. A light goes off and darkness is there, and if you turn on the light, darkness automatically goes away. They are one. In the same way, knowledge and ignorance are both one. In my Master's words, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, "Knowledge is the greatest ignorance." Through knowledge, we know That, which is nothing, and this is a trick, nothing else! One should know this trick.

What you know today, what you are going to know tomorrow, is all the same. In the same way, knowledge never changes. Due to ignorance, the effects differ. When you place a cover over the light, then there will be darkness, and when you take off the cover, light returns.

Remove the veil of ignorance which has come upon you. Take away the cloth in front of the light, and the light is there! In sleep one goes to this 'end'. Go to the "end" and find your Self. Finding out means forgetting your mind, your thoughts and your individuality.

Nothing needs to be demolished. Why demolish anything? What are these things? Things don't trouble you, but you go in and get troubles. This chair never says, "I am yours." You say, "It is my chair." So, who is at fault? Not the chair, but yourself. You have nothing to do with it. You should see the world that way.

You have to keep going. Hurdles must be there, but the hurdles should be overtaken. One should overcome the problems. A problem is a thought. From your childhood, you have accumulated many thoughts. Who has given you all those thoughts? Your father, your mother, your friends in your circle. Everything has come to you. They are all ignorant people, so what can they give you? What can darkness give to light? Tell me. Nothing, isn't it? What can you find in darkness? Nothing! All thoughts, all habits are not true. All have come to you due to ignorance. Go to the source from where they arise and they dissolve! All bondage is only a mental bondage which you have borrowed from someone else. Money that is borrowed is not yours. In the same way, you have borrowed the thoughts of others and have taken them as your own bondage. How can it be? Throw off that bondage! Who stops you? Give the money to the creditor, and you are free of all debt! You have to be free of debt.

MASTER

How can you know when you have found a Master? There is no test or statistics. What is written in the books of Knowledge by many saints and experienced persons, should be experienced by you. A Master says, "This is salt". Books also describe salt. Put it in your mouth and see for yourself if it is salty. What the Master says, you must experience. You can find out only by 'tasting'.

When the Master teaches you, you can get the experience. Nothing is impossible in the world. You are He, so what is impossible? You don't understand this, you don't take it to heart. Due to the identification with body and mind, you say that you are not perfect. Everything disappears in deep sleep, so why can you not go to the end of yourself? From where this power arises, find the source, and that is your Self. One can understand the final Reality if the Master gives you the right direction. If the address is wrong you cannot reach the destination. The Master should be perfect, only then he can show you the way to Reality.

All want to be a Master. Even between two boys, there is always one who will be the Master of the other. It is the nature of the power which is inside man. If you experience for yourself what the Master says, if you can put your own stamp on it, then it is true. Otherwise, separation between Master and aspirant remains. In truth there is no duality between them. So the question of fear does not exist. When that is fully satisfied and there is the feeling that nothing remains to be acquired in the world, then one feels completely at peace. That satisfaction comes to you. One should experience for himself and then speak, otherwise one should keep quiet.

Faith is required up till understanding, only. Afterwards, 'no faith' is also required. Suppose you have got 60 lakhs (6 million) francs in the bank, and I say, "Keep faith." Is there any meaning in it? You say, "No, I know I have got it." Once you understand, once the clear cut understanding comes, then even faith is not required. But to have faith, the ego should be surrendered. The small baby has so much faith in the mother, so the mother does everything for him. Before he cries, she gives him milk, and everything. Suppose the mother falls with her child. When she gets up, she first sees that her child is not hurt. In the same way, the Master is also that. When one has got the faith, He knows. All the aspirants' misunderstandings and doubts are cleared by Him. You have to know your Self only. You only represent or misrepresent yourself. If that understanding doesn't come then the ego will remain.

There is a saying in India, "With one piece of turmeric, one cannot open a grocer's shop." Many people talk of God even though they do not know God. Why? Because they are always moving in the opposite direction from Him. If you want to go to the mountains in the north, and you go to the south, how can you reach the mountains? Where is God and Who is God? One should know He is not outside, but within you! Thoughts are naturally directed to the outside; they should turn toward the Self with the help of the Master.

Find out, "Who you are." When all thoughts end, He is there. Forget everything that you have learned up till now, then He is there. In this way, one is at peace. Peace comes from within ourselves. Christ says: "Know thyself and you will know the world." When you go to the very end of yourself, the question of peace does not arise. Nothing remains; you are yourself.

DEATH

Understand for yourself that death is nothing. Know that, "I am birthless, I am deathless, I have never taken birth and I will never die." Take the poisonous tooth out of the serpent and play with him. You know it is not going to do any harm to you. Death is nothing. Everyday, when you sleep it is like a small death. Why to fear? Nothing is there. Everything is illusion. Keep your mind in that fearless state only. Just as the poisonous tooth is taken out, in the same way, play with the world, play with the illusion, there is no harm. It won't affect your mind. Live fearlessly; no death, no fear, knowing "I am that real Power." There is nothing! What will harm you?

I can tell you, but you have to take out the thorn. It doesn't exist, take it for granted. It doesn't exist, but you feel its existence. The difficulty is that you don't leave it alone. You are afraid of what will happen. Nothing else is going to happen. Nothing has happened up to now, and so what is going to happen now? So, to take out the thorn of the ego, always say: "I know nothing, I don't see, I don't hear, I don't eat, I don't sleep, I don't walk, I do nothing." Then, 'I' is not there and the ego must go.

One should be brave to truly live. When you are brave, fear does not remain. Be brave and have faith in the Master. Do what he says, because you and He are one. Throw off the veil. It is easy to leave that which is nothing, but difficult to see That which is present and which you have forgotten. There is an Indian custom in which sweets are distributed to all the relatives on the 13th day after death. What is the meaning of this? It is: The person is not dead, he never dies.

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AN INTERVIEW WITH RANJIT MAHARAJ

http://www.inner-quest.org/Images/Q72.gifuestion: The very first time that you met Siddharameshwar Maharaj, at the age of twelve, how did you know that he was your master?

Ranjit Maharaj: I saw him and he conquered me. That's the main point. Since my birth my thoughts have always been on the side of the Gods - Lord Krishna, Rama and other Gods in Hindu mythology.

I was praying with full heart from the age of six. I was very much engrossed in worshipping Lord Krishna with very much devotion. I would go to temples and go on pilgrimages. All my family members were also worshipping along with me. At that time, my health was very weak and I was fasting and doing many, many things. There's one extra month that comes in India, it's called Purshutamath, Lord Krishna's month. During this month I was not speaking, even when I was having my meals. I just want to say that during this period I was doing so many things.

At a certain age I got into an accident. I was walking together with my father and a cart conductor ran over my leg. The bones were broken in three places. It was completely bandaged. Also, at the time my mother was pregnant, so my neighbour took charge of me. She was a very religious minded old lady. In the end, I lived with her for twenty years. And as she was very religious minded, more of these kinds of thoughts came upon me. Her nephew was working in a solicitor's office where the managing clerk was named Mr. Okaria, a man who was in touch with Siddharameshwar Maharaj at that time. Her nephew was of a very different nature because he didn't believed in God. In 1925, he went with Mr. Okaria to Siddharameshwar Maharaj's birthplace (Pathri), just to see what was there. My master's personality was so great that when someone came in contact with him, they could not go away untouched. So, although her nephew was a non-believer in God, still he took the mantra from Siddharameshwar Maharaj. When he returned to Bombay, he said to me, "When Siddharameshwar Maharaj comes to Bombay, I'll take you to him. You must get the mantra." I took his mantra and his bliss. Automatically, it came upon me. Although I was a believer in idol Gods and I was worshipping them just like a fanatical person, the next day I left them. How? I don't know.

Siddharameshwar Maharaj

But when I saw him I forgot Lord Krishna. That is the greatest thing which I saw in him. So, what I want to say is that when I saw him, I felt very natural, I tell you, and I forgot Lord Krishna, bas! (finished)! In all this - nothing remained in me. So, in this way I met my master and by his grace I understood. All honour goes to him and not to me.

Some people ask me, "When we can get this (understand Reality), how will it happen?" It happens if your mind desires It very abruptly. So, since I met him that day, I forgot all the words. I realised that the master is the only person in the world from whom you can get something. His knowledge was so great and simple. He never used big, complicated words and he was a believer that the Vedas - the highest sacred books in India - should be taught to women and children too. He was so sure of his own realisation of Reality and he felt that it was everybody's birthright to understand. Only in a human body can you achieve this. Otherwise, animals and birds for example, have no discrimination power. The power is the same, but the contrivance of discrimination is not there. Only the human body has got the contrivance of discrimination - between good and bad, between what is Reality and what is unreal, between what is illusion and what is God.

Q: When you first met your master, did you reject everything all at once?

RM: Yes. 'Rejected' means - I left what my life was then - worshipping was my life. So I rejected that first. Then, what else is there to reject? After that, nothing needs to be rejected, no? But my family members were against me. My mother was coming to hear him, but still she and my family were against me. I never cared for them. I said to them all, "I don't care for you". I was a very strong minded man, I tell you (laughs).

Q: You have to be, no?

RM: One should be. Unless you become strong minded you can't accept the Reality. It counts upon your death. One side is death and one side is Reality. I accept the death. "You are not going to die because you are the Reality". That much will power, one must have. My family members were very much against me, my brothers and many people. I said, "I don't care for anybody." So, one should have that great understanding. Understanding makes you stronger. Nothing else. If you call a doctor, he will say to you, "I will cure you, don't worry." He then gives you the medicine. You should accept it, no? He has got that understanding. Other doctors say that you will die. So, no, don't worry about it. Have the faith in yourself. If you loose your faith in yourself, then you are lost. You become the smallest creature in the world. What is there (shows with his hand the space between thumb and index finger)? There are so many people in the world, no? What is the meaning of one person? He may be the greatest of the greatest, but what is there? Unless you know that everybody is He (Reality), then you can understand the real greatest of the great. Then everybody is He. People don't understand this. What to do? They don't take it to heart. They say, "What will happen if I do this then?" That doubt always comes in the mind. Mind is always doubtful. So one should not worry about the mind. Throw off your mind, throw off your ego. Have the understanding of Reality in yourself. That was his mission and he gave that mission. Today I dare say to anybody, "Why worry, you are He." There must be some power in your mind, otherwise how could you even say anythiing? Some people may say, "Okay, we'll kill you, because you are He, no?" So, kill me. I say that I never cared for anybody. You have to understand. Discrimination power should be used by yourself. Discrimination of the mind. There, mind helps you. Mind is there to help you to understand Reality, and if you want the Reality, he can do anything for that.

There are so many examples in the Indian mythology about this. There was a devotee of Lord Krishna and some Narana. The word 'Narana' means mind. So some Narana dressed up as a saint and said to a Krishna devotee, "Cut your child up, and while doing so you should not cry. You must sing nice bhajans or nice things during this, and finally you must cook your child." She did it. Her husband was also devoted to Krishna. They cut the boy up - they took him from his school and they cut the boy up. She didn't cry. She then cooked him and gave it to Narana, who was dressed as a saint. Narana said, " You have no child now, you are a barren woman." She was so strong and replied to him, " Forget that! I've had a child in my stomach before and now I am carrying a second child." And then what did Narana say? He had understood - she had the greatest devotion for the Reality. He called that second boy, "Come Raul" - his name was Raul - "Raul come!" He came then. Narana then understood that the boy had never died. Nobody dies. These are the examples given in the mythological books. One should understand that. People say, "How can we do it? We are such a small creature." Why? Have the courage, do anything to achieve the Reality. Nothing else.

If your body goes, let it go! Siddharameshwar Maharaj always said, " I will leave my body, I don't care, but I will achieve the Reality." He was a very strong person. He was going to the gymnasium and at that time he was doing one thousand dundas, (push-ups)! One thousand at a stretch he was doing. He was so strong! But when his master died (Bhausaheb Maharaj), I think, 5 or 6 years after he realised that understanding in the mind, so he said to his co-disciples who were travelling with him, that they should go ahead, go further. He said, "Meditation is not the last point. One should go further ahead." But they said to him, "But our master has not told us that!" He replied, "Let master not say, but can you still not go?" He was so strong in the mind. Then he left their company. They were 3 or 4 co-disciples, and they were moving around, giving that understanding to people. He said, "No, I don't go." At first, for 9 months he sat on one peak, a hillside in Bijapur and he achieved the Reality. Then he left. All this is so miraculous, I tell you. If you have got faith in the master, then everything becomes a miracle I tell you! And he achieved the Reality. To achieve the Reality, one should not care for the body. Don't care for the body. Don't care for the self. Then you can become He. Forget everything, then you can achieve It, why not? One can achieve It. It's very easy to know oneself. What is there? But the problem is that you don't loose the love for the illusion. What to do? That illusion always keeps you attracted. Forget that illusion! When he was still alive he gave that understanding to many people in this way.

All are equal, but it depends upon the acceptor, how much he accepts. Teachers or professors in the school or college, they teach everybody the same thing. The one who has got more caliber or more accepting power, he comes first in the class. So, there is no discrimination with the teaching. All are equal, anybody can come. Siddharameshwar Maharaj never believed in any religion, also. He was giving his own sermons without any distinction, and it was open to anybody, even if they belonged to a religion. He taught in such a nice way.

Q: How exactly did he teach this knowledge to people?

RM: He was giving daily sermons for one hour. He was not going to many places, because he never wanted fame. So, he was coming to Bombay, going to Bijapur, and nearby there is a place called Bagewadi and also in Sholapur. In these four places he was giving his sermon from the books of knowledge. In Marathi, there is Dasbodh, written 400 years ago by Ramdas Maharaj. That is a book in our lineage and on that book he was giving lectures when he was in Bombay, for one and a half months or two months of the year. The sermons were everyday in the evening, from quarter to seven to quarter to eight. And then, the bhajans followed, which we did at night. After bhajans, people returned home. So, for about one and a half months, two months he was staying in Bombay. He was also spending the same amount of time in Sholapur. The same knowledge was given everywhere. He was speaking in a very simple Marathi language. His motto was, "High, complicated words are not required, as it is beyond the reach of the human mind." So, he was giving very simple examples of daily life so that one can understand very easily.

One book was Dasbodh, another was Yoga Vashista, another was Saachara, written by Shankaracharya, and Ecknath Bhagavad (Gita), which describes the whole life of Krishna and what he taught to his disciples. That was written by Ecknath Swami, who was a great realised person. 'Ecknath' means 'Lord is one only'. Whose master is one, is Ecknath. He has written many historic stories of Krishna , there are many, and so many fights also. Siddharameshwar Maharaj told us to only try and understand the main meaning of that fighting. What is that fighting? What is the meaning of fighting? What is karma? What are reactions? All these things are in the Bhagavad Gita. Four books he used to teach us. Beginning, was knowledge from Ramdas Swami's book. Then, for renunciation, Yoga Vashista.. Rama was in a state of humiliation and then his master, Vashista gave him knowledge, and how he became Lord Rama. Otherwise, he was a son of a king. Then, finally he took Shankaracharya. After understanding and renouncing, it describes how a person stays in his life. He has so nicely given Shankaracharya (Saachara) - how he lives, how he takes his life and how he understands what Reality is, what final Reality is, what thoughtless Reality is. All these topics are covered.

He first gave the knowledge. He told us that people say that renunciation should come first, but he didn't agree with them. But, first by knowledge, if you renounce, then you can understand. Otherwise, if you renounce without knowledge, then things may change at any moment. Mind may change at any moment, no? For example: a nice khana (meal) is prepared, or biryani rice is prepared. Sweet smell is coming and everybody wants to eat. If you say, "Don't eat." He'll say, "Why, this is mine?" Then he asks, "Why are you telling me not to eat?" You then say, "I'm sorry but there is poison in it." As he has got the knowledge of poison, he renounces without delay. So, if knowledge is there first, renunciation automatically must come. Will you still like to eat it? Nobody likes it. So, if knowledge comes, then you don't like it. Mind may go a thousand times there. A young chap goes near the candle, he wants to hold it. Mother, father what do they say? "Don't hold it!" They refrain him for what reason? He should not be burnt, nothing else. Same way, if you understand the knowledge, then you can renounce very easily, no? It's an illusion, everything is zero. If that understanding comes in the mind, then how much time does it take to renounce? Just when that man only said, "Poison is there", then nobody will eat, no? Once you understand that khana is poisonous, you never think of eating, even though you may be hungry. Stay in that way. After understanding, doubt doesn't remain anywhere and then you can renounce very easily.

Many people dressed up as saints and went out, for four months, six months, eight months - as they liked. After some time Siddharameshwar told them, "Now take off these saffron clothes and be a simple man as you were beforehand." All these things, nobody will say that. Many masters are there, but they never say, "Take out your clothes." He said, "Be a simple person. Understanding has come to you, right over you now. Why should this show be there?" So if you understand that way, then you can easily throw off the clothes also. People want saffron clothes so then they can say, "Oh, they bow down at my feet at once!" Ego remains always in the mind. So, he said, "Renounce the renunciation now." And then he gave that final understanding of Reality. So, he was the greatest of the greatest of that time. An unknown saint of that time, what to do? He never wanted fame, never wanted to say anything in public. Those who were coming to him, he was giving his lectures. Twelve years he gave the lectures, his full understanding. And then, what did he tell us? He said, "I never asked anything from you. Today I say, you have realised, you have understood, now don't forget my master's bhajans". And that was his greatness, I tell you! Now I feel this. At that time I may not be feeling, I don't know, I can't say anything. One who is now realised, what is the meaning of that, once you have understood this Reality? But that ego is always there, it comes in the way and takes you to the wrong path. So, forget that ego! Forget it, there's no harm.

Q: After you met your master, how did you live your everyday life?

RM: A very simple life I was living. I was taking education at a school at that time. I was just twelve years old. My mind was not there. Though I went up to matriculation, and then failed there, and finally I said I would no longer learn any more required knowledge. My mother was very kind to me, so she never forced me, insisted on me. My father died when I was at the age of six, so there is no question of father coming there. But mother can force me to get married and all those things, but she never forced me. All this is by his grace (looking at his master's picture).

Illusion always fights with the realised persons. In our language, they say 'maya'. 'Maya' is a Sanskrit word - 'ma' means 'not', and 'ya' means 'which'. 'Which is not' is an illusion, or 'maya'. So, that illusion always fights. One should be stubborn in his life - " Let come what may, but I will never submit to you." In this way, after twelve years my master left his body in 1936 at the age of 48, giving all the understanding, complete thorough understanding - what realisation is, what final realisation is, what Reality is, what thoughtless Reality is. All these things, he so nicely explained, so one can easily achieve It. It is his grace, what I speak. Once, one person asked the question here, "You're also an illusion or not?" As long as there is 'I', there is illusion. What question does not remain to ask? When 'I' goes off, or 'ego' goes off, how can illusion stay? Where there is light, darkness can never remain. So, one should listen to the master with full faith in him, that's enough. You can ask your doubts, there's no harm, but what he says, you should take to heart. Everything is possible, there's nothing to worry about. Then man is He, and not a man. In 1936, when he passed away, I was living my simple life only, and I never wanted to be a master, (laughs) because why even want those things, require fame and this - "I'm a master and he's a disciple", all these things. I was not teaching anybody until 1983, but by his order or grace, I had to be a master, and at the moment I teach you (laughs). I started in 1983. Why? Because my master's granddaughter-in-law wanted a mantra. She said to me, "I want a mantra from you." If I didn't give her a mantra, then I'd be faithless to Siddharameshwar Maharaj.

Q: So this is how you started teaching?

R. M.: Yes, yes, I started with that only. One should not be faithless to him. Because he has given such a right thing. Nobody can give that in the world, I tell you. It was his courage, so much strength in it when he was speaking, so strongly he was stating that one can understand, why not? Mind should be changed, nothing else. 'Conquered me' means - he changed my mind, nothing else. Conquered means that he didn't do anything, no miracle, but still he said, "You can see many Gods, why to worry." He had to say that much. At that time I was not ready, no? I did not know anything. I did not even know 'Brahma' (God) or 'maya' - the illusion. 'Brahma' or illusion, I never knew anything. 'God' was an idol only, that was my idea. Don't worry for that. If a blank paper is there you can write very fast on it. If it is paper that is written on, then you can't write, no? You have to make many scratches over it. So, there was nothing for him to say. He gave me, within 12 years he taught in such a nice way.

Ramdas Maharaj has written a whole chapter on 'worship'. His disciples asked him, "What is the necessity of worshipping now? What you have understood is that nirguna - God is there. Then why to go for sadguna (worship)?" Then he said that, "You do everything or not already? You eat, you sleep, you go to the toilet. If anybody comes, you say, "Come in. It is mine, it is yours." In this way the understanding remains. As long as the body is there, understanding remains or not? Then why do you want to forget him, the master?" In that lineage, there were always bhajans and he was also doing bhajans. He did it up to his last moment, you follow? Then, what happens? Nothing remains for you. So you don't want anything from him. He never wanted anything from his master, but still why did he worshipped him? To do service, but also to honour him. Nothing else. Service - a brave man can do that. He wanted nothing from him. So he taught and we accepted, because it was a true thing. And that's the only thing which one can do after understanding. What to do then? Tell me! You are He. Now, what to do? Still you are doing everything, no? So why to leave the bhajans? That is ego - "Now I am a realised person, why should I worship? No need." Still he said to us, "Have some faith in the master or faith in your Self. Faith should be for One only. So have faith in your Self." But still, sometimes that takes you to the wrong path, that ego comes in. So he always told us, "Do what I have told you, don't do what I am doing." He was always saying this. I may do anything, according to the body. For example, he had diabetes, so he could not eat sugar. So does this mean that his disciples should also not eat sugar? That's nonsense, no? So he said, "Everything that I do, don't do it, but what I say, do it. Preserve that in your mind, that power which I have given to you. Preserve that nicely, so that you can do anything and everything in the world." Because the world is 'not' (or doesn't exist), so what is there to do in the 'not' and what is there not to do in the 'not', tell me?

Many disciples may come today, may not come tomorrow, why should He worry? Water never worries for anybody. If you are thirsty, then you go to the river, no? The river provides water and your thirst is completed. So I had to start like this. His granddaughter-in-law asked me. Because, I never wanted to be a master, I tell you. It was his wish now, because everybody is He. After leaving the body you are everywhere. So I said to her, "After two hours I will give you the mantra, but let me first think it over." I had to think and ponder over it and then I started. And today sixteen years have passed now, in 1983 I started. Don't worry! If the child cries for milk mother says, "Wait." She makes the milk hot and then makes cold and then gives it, no? It should be digestible. So master is always just like a protector. He protects you everywhere. Whatever you say is true. And he has got that power to make that truth. Whatever you say - no harm. Suppose somebody's child says something unclear, and then its mother or father says it clearer: "He wanted to say this, he wanted to say that." So He is a protector. One should have the greatest faith, faith beyond your life for the master! Then, it is very easy. What harms you? Where is the knowledge going away to? Yourself is He! In this way, I was lucky enough to get that real master. So I never saw anybody else. There where many others - Ramana Maharshi was there, Rajneesh was there. Many, many people were there, but I never wanted to go to them. What need? When your belly is full you don't need to go to a restaurant, no? What is the meaning? If somebody offers you nice biscuits, you say "Oh, I am sorry, I'm full, I can't eat it." Brahmins are known for their ladoos (sweats). So many Brahmins were called together, and they were eating ladoos and then after eating, rice was served. You know, this is an Indian custom. One of them said, "If I would have place still for rice I would have taken more ladoos instead. I would have not left any ladoos (laughs)." There is no place for it.

So, he has given so much knowledge, to not go anywhere. "Everywhere you are, everywhere you are He." And that understanding he brought to me and that is his grace, that he gave me that understanding. And I can dare say today to anybody: "You are He, now go! Don't worry." Now it is upon you how to accept it! If you accept it fully, then, what remains? You are also one of the saints, why not? Do anything, no harm, but still have the courage to understand. Tell your mind, "Go away, I don't want you, because you always take the objection." In the race, objection is taken by the person who finishes second, no? Sometimes it is overruled and sometimes they have to submit also. So don't take any objection in the mind. Be frank enough and say to yourself that,"I am He always". So I always say, "If you are in heaven or hell, you are still He. Don't worry about it." Body affairs don't mean anything, why to worry about it? Have complete understanding, and that the master gives you, nothing else. Nobody can give you that understanding. He gives this understanding in that way. So I dare say now, "If you want to kill, kill somebody. Don't worry if you go to the gallows. Body is going to the gallows, I never go to the gallows." So I go to the extreme sometimes when I tell you. I like to use extreme examples. No need to kill anybody. Whom to kill? When everybody is He - what to kill? But still, mind should be so strong enough - don't worry for anything. Because you are doing nothing, you are doing everything in a dream! What you have done in the dream is not true, take it for granted. One should have that much understanding and that much power to accept it.

Q: In Reality, there are no objects, no experience, no experiencing and no experiencer, like you told us before.

RM : Yes, there is no experience.

Q : If you are Reality then how can you understand, because understanding requires an object?

RM: Yes, okay.

Q: Do you see what I mean?

RM: Yes, I understood. Forget everybody, then you are He or not?

Q: So you have to forget everything?

RM: Yes. Forget all! And then you are He. As you don't forget, all these things - mind, body, human soul, the power which is in you - you have to forget that also, and go beyond this. Leave everything, and then? You are He. He's One only. Who will experience? When there is a Oneness, then no question of experience comes up. He is there, no? Forget everything and you are always there. So I give the example - You go into a room to find out if someone is there. There is nobody. Everybody has gone. But He (Reality) was there without telling. So, without saying anything, you are He. There's no need to say, "I was there."

There's another example I often use - ten men swim across a river. When they arrive on the other bank, one of them decides to count to see if all ten have arrived safely. He only counts nine. So, another tries and he also counts only nine. They all try and they all arrive at nine. So they begin to cry because one has not made it across. Then someone watching them comes over and tells one of them to recount. When he arrives at nine, he slaps him and says, "Tenth is found!" He got the slap and he said, "Oh, I understood, tenth is here." Each one forgot to count himself. In the same way, you remain your Self. Whom to experience now, who will experience Him? There is no duality at all. Duality always brings trouble. Or when the knowledge comes, triad, the number three comes in the knowledge. If you know anything, then triad remains or not? You are the observer, you are observing something, and the observing process, all three remain. Shankaracharya says, "If the triad doesn't remain then you are He. Whom to experience?" How can you experience your Self? Even to see your face, you have to use a looking glass. You can't see your face without a looking glass. You can see your whole body, but you can't see your face. So, when you are He, what is there to experience? The one who says, "I experienced", he has not experienced, I tell you!

The second day of the moon comes. It's just a thin line only. So somebody says, "See there, there's some cloud and there is some tree you see, and nearby there is some small thin line (the moon)." If you don't experience, then you are lost. And if you understand, one who has understood, he gives you that understanding. One who has seen that, only he can give you the same understanding. "The moon is there, like very small thin line." But what do people do? They go to see these trees, branches of the trees or even the cloud and say, "Oh, we have understood." They have not seen That! One who has seen, he will never ask for anything. Because he's He, he understands then. If nobody is there, then are you there or not? So you are always proving yourself by negation. You can't say, "I am this." Say, "I am not this!" Somebody knocks on the door and you say, "Come in, there is nobody." But you are there, without telling. So, Reality is like that. No experience is required. But if you go towards experience, then you make the triad again. But if nobody is there, then you are there, no? So I always say, "Close your eyes and then you are there. What to experience for that? You will remain always there. Nobody is there - no you, no self, no knowledge, no ignorance and no knowing also." Then the understanding automatically comes, there's nothing to worry about. He teaches you in that way.

Suppose you put both your legs outside, so you are not in the room. You are outside. Otherwise,if you put one leg inside, then you are a trespasser. So if you do something to understand Him also, you forget Him. So, do everything but understand, "I don't exist." So, the one who is real never keeps the ego. He does everything, he does anything but still he says, "I don't exist." One who doesn't exist, then what remains for him? Knowing is wrong, it is not true, an illusion. You are not doing anything! Cinema screen doesn't do anything but shows everything, no? In the same way, you do nothing but you show everything. You show the whole world. So one who understands the screen, then he never says what is not true. If someone dies in the film which is showing on the screen, the ladies cry, at least in India they cry. They say,"Oh, he is gone!" and they cry. But one who understands that it is only a film, then does he cry? He says, "Oh, it was a picture only on the screen. Nothing has happened." In the same way, one should understand that nothing is happening. Everything is zero. Whatever happens in zero, is it true? In your dreams, you do many things. Can you say it's true when you awake? Awakening should come here and ignorance should go off. When awakening comes, then you forget everything that has happened in the dream. You say, "Dream was wrong." In the same way here also, say, "This dream is a wrong dream, nothing else." The next day, when you sleep, everything goes off, disappears. Where is the world? You don't even remain yourself. You don't even know your name. Then you dream, and in the dream you take another name. In the dream, you have another name. You are a poor chap, or you might even become a king there. So, not to worry about anything. So, one who says, "I have understood", he has not understood, I can say that! There is nothing to understand. Whom to understand? If you say, "I know my Self", then what is the meaning of it, tell me. One knows automatically the Self. You take the body as Self so you are mistaken, and that is due to ignorance. The power which works in you is there or not? When that power is disconnected, where does the power go? Power remains as nothing, it becomes null and void. That knowledge then goes off.

When you die what happens? You forget everything. Then who takes the birth? If the last wish of a dying man is, "I must have a body" then that makes him take birth again. Nobody puts you in birth and nobody makes you die, I tell you always. When the disconnection comes, then automatically one dies, what to do? He may be 10 years old, 20 years old or even 100 years old. When he dies, all knowledge goes off and the five elements return to zero. The five elements are zero. Knowledge becomes zero. What remains? The wish which you had of the body, that makes you take the birth. So, rebirth is always there. If you understand that I am not this (pointing to his body), I am something else other than this, then you will never think that "I must have a body." There is always a problem with the body, no? Whoever he may be - a very strong man, but still he has some problems in life. So birth is a problem and death is also a problem. In between, all problems come and go. You carry on with the problems only. Happiness is this much (shows a very little space between his thumb and index finger) and trouble is this much (shows large span with his arms). You go on working for 30 days, and then you get the salary, no? (Laughter) You have to work. Nobody gives you your salary in advance. You have to toil! So you have to toil here also. To be rich is not easy. You have to do and make many things. And often, there are many wrong things you have to do. Then you may become rich. One hundred people become poor and you become rich. What is there? Money is not coming only to you, it is always in circulation. Forget the idea that,"I am rich or I am poor." It's nothing! If you understand the Reality, then you are neither poor nor rich. All are equal. Then nothing remains. That is his teaching, follow me (giggles).

Q: So that discrimination power between what is real and what is not real, through the reflection of the Truth, it becomes stronger and stronger?

RM: Yes, exactly.

Q: So it's a process?

RM: Yes, it's a process, but one can also do it in one moment. Mind is a process. If the mind doesn't agree, then you have to make it a process. But if the mind agrees, then? Take H2O, for example. If you don't understand this, then you do many, many things to try to understand. "How can two parts of hydrogen and one part of oxygen be water?", you say. You first need to know many things, then you can say why it is so. In the same way, a process is required to strengthen your mind, nothing else. If the mind turns to that side, then everything is lost, but don't worry. You are not the loser, you can prove anything you like. You have got that power. Understand that, "If I do something then it's a trouble for me, nothing else." So there is a saying - "An uneasy life lies ahead for the one that wears the crown." Most people feel that the king is very happy. He knows what happiness is because he has got everything. But he has to worry for everybody. In the night, if something happens, all the people phone to the king, no? "This has happened, so what should we do now? Give your orders!"

All this, even the greatness of the world is nothing but a zero. You feel, "I am so great, I am the greatest of the greatest!" No, the greatest is He! He is in everybody and does everything. So why to worry? If you want to do anything, do it! One should not worry about it. If you worry then you are lost. Problems come to you also, no? Somebody kills somebody, and if you say, "Oh, I have seen him commit the murder", then, you have to go to the court again and again to give your witness. If one says, "I don't know what has happened?", what has he to do? Nothing! Because nothing has happened, what to do? Killer is He and the one who is killed is also He. Who kills whom? In that way, who am I to be a witness also? Witness is nothing but losing your Self. Don't be a witness. Don't do anything and you are He always. But you always want to do something, so what to do? Mind always wants to do something. The mind is the greatest 'mischief monger', he always makes mischief. Many people come to me, they tell me all their worldly problems, and I laugh in my mind. (Laughter) What to do? It is all due to the mind's mischief.

Q: They probably still feel that they can get something from the illusion.

RM: They wish, but if I tell them that nothing is there, then? Then, they make a face like this (makes a sad face). What to do? "Master says it's nothing, everything is nothing". What to do? But one who has got some understanding and who wants the Reality, he accepts. So one should try to accept that, nothing else.

Mind should be taken to that side (Reality). Turn your mind, nothing else. One should turn the mind. Mind is the greatest thing, it makes all the differences. Good man, bad man, worst man - mind makes the difference. People say, "From day by day, it's going from bad to worse". Nothing is the 'worst'. According to your mind it happens, no? In our time, we were getting twelve kilos of rice for 4 rupees. Now, one kilo is between 52 and 60 rupees! Time changes, so why to worry? The world is going ahead and ahead. So, Siddharameshwar Maharaj has written in 1926 that, "The world is galloping towards hell." One finally goes where? One dies and everything ends. Nothing remains for him. So you are always free.

There were freedom fighters fighting for the independence of India. Once Siddharameshwar Maharaj said, "Don't think that after gaining independence from the British that it will rain gold! Rain of water is sure to come. After independence, you will have to toil more." For example, if you are under the protection of your father, then do you have to worry more? No. He looks after everything. But when you become independent, then you have to worry about everything - "What to do, how to do it, how to earn money?" All these questions come in the mind. The mind is like this. So he said, "Okay, I may be independent, but how much trouble is there now, you don't see that. Forget the independence! Reality is always there and everything that is happening is okay. Nothing is bad and nothing is good, take this in the mind." If anything goes against your wish, say " It is for my good, because I am the creator. I have created this!" That should be the understanding. Why to worry about anything? If death comes to the body, then say, "It's okay, I am prepared to die, because I am not that." Who dies? Nobody dies. Death has no value. Everything is zero and becomes zero. What is death, tell me? What is here (pointing to a cupboard)? Light a fire in it and then it becomes zero. It's the same for everything. What is there? Let everything be there and understand that it is not true.

Q: So in a sense, should we stop creating things?

RM: Don't create anything! Create your Self (laughs). Find out Reality, create your Reality more and more. Then, automatically you will understand that it's nothing, just a play! Suppose a small boy is playing cards with you. He puts an eight down, but he says, "King!". "I am the winner", he then says. Your love is there. You say, "Yes, yes, you win". Same thing, nothing else. So everybody says, "I am the winner"! "Yes, yes, you are the winner, I am defeated." Take it for granted because I don't exist. Who is defeated? When I don't exist, then who is defeated? Nobody is defeated. You take it as true and then defeat comes to you. So forget everything and you are He without doing anything now. Eyes bring everything, no? Close your eyes then you are He. How much time does it take? But you don't accept that, so what to do? When you close your eyes, you are there or not? You without you, Self without self is there. Why to worry? If everything becomes zero, you are not going to be zero. Screen remains always the same. Many pictures come and go. When the end comes, then all the people go. You pay money, sit for three hours and still you have to go home without getting anything (giggles). So this is a fancy of the mind. Mind fancies always. What fancy will come to him, one cannot say. Understanding should come, nothing else. Siddharameshwar Maharaj gave that understanding, so, I am still living at 87, take it for granted (giggles). Otherwise I would have died and gone at any time, huh? My body was always weak. Now I am stronger, I tell you! (giggles) When I was at school I have taken permission, "I won't go to the gymnasium and play sports!" I couldn't do it, no? Weak body was there, what to do? Permission was taken from the headmaster. "I will sit and look at others doing their work."

Q: Maharaj, what is awakening?

RM: Awakening is nothing but understanding - a complete thorough understanding. A clear cut understanding of a thing is awakening.

Q: And it's a mental understanding?

RM: First, mental is required and then practical is required. Talent is the greatest thing, intellectual talent. Without the intellect, one cannot understand. So, you have to understand with the full intellect and then, that knowledge, or that understanding should submerge, because knowledge is a thought. A good thought or a bad thought, both are thoughts. So, knowledge is a golden thorn, and ignorance is an ordinary thorn. And it's a bondage, both are bondage. Suppose your hands have been put in cuffs, maybe they're iron or maybe golden, but it's still bondage. So, both are thorns. One should understand and then throw them away. It is very difficult to throw out the knowledge, because ego remains up to knowledge. Knowledge is ego, nothing else. To erase that knowledge, one should say, "I know nothing." As Socrates said, "I know that I don't know." In this way I understood that even after understanding, one should always think of his mind, thoughts, knowledge and ego. It could come in any time, any moment, you can't say. One should always be on the alert, because ego is such a thing, it can erupt at any moment.

Q: This discrimination, between real and unreal, does it just come to the person or do you have to achieve it?

RM: One has to achieve it. Mind is just like a knife - it should be sharpened at every moment. If the master is there, he sharpens your mind. When he's not there, you have to sharpen your own mind. Because the illusion is such, one can be thrown off from any place. Illusion wants that the person be under 'my' control. He opposes illusion, so the illusion doesn't like him and tries in any way to take him down, or attract him in anyway. So, it is said, "You have to walk on a sword. Any little mistake, and you will get cut." In this way, one should go, one can go. Reality is not to be achieved, it is there. The farmer works, everything comes up, finally the corn comes, but still he has to work and harvest it. In the same way here also. After receiving or understanding the final Reality, one should be on his guard. After a thorough understanding, then nothing is required.

Q: So, is that the advice you give to your disciples?

RM: I teach them that when doubts come, I have to solve their doubts.

Q: You have to solve them?

RM: I must. Always, because I give sermons every Sunday in Bombay. For the majority, their doubts are automatically cleared in the next sermon. One who has got more doubts, he can come and ask, and I give them my full co-operation. I don't believe in these big, big fuss's - that one should take an appointment, and one should do this. It's all nonsense. Why? When you say it is all an illusion, why do you make the illusion more in you? (laughs) Ego only wants that, no? "I am a great saint and they should ask me..." and all these things, it's all nothing! One should put his own self at the feet, which means, in the teaching of the master. If one can do that, then I can take him up to the door of the Reality, and after that, he has to experience. There, I am not there. Because your master and the experience, both are one. There is no duality, there is no duality. Is there anything more?

Q: I have a few more questions. One is, can the individual all of a sudden choose to wake up, or does the awakening happen only when the time is right?

RM: What the master teaches, if you have got full faith in it, why then can one not learn? It's not so that it will take time, or suddenly it will come. I don't believe in that. You must have the faith.

Q: And if you don't have that faith?

RM: Then it's useless. Faith is required up to understanding only. Afterwards, 'no faith' is also required. Suppose you have got 60 lakhs (6 million) francs in the bank, and I say, "Keep faith." Is there any meaning in it? You say, "No, I know I have got it." Once you understand, when a clear cut understanding comes, then even faith is not required. There are many steps here. Step by step you have to go up. 'Suddenly', I don't believe in 'suddenly'. Many people say this and many saints even say it. 'Suddenly', I don't believe. When you've got 60 lakhs in the bank, why talk of 'suddenly'? You know! If you've forgotten it's my duty to make you understand.

Q: Would you say that the faith comes when there is surrender?

RM: Ego should be surrendered.

Q: So as long as there is someone who thinks he is other than That, then it cannot work?

RM: Yes. The small baby has so much faith in the mother, so the mother does everything for him. Before he cries, she gives milk, and everything. In the same way, the master is also like that. If you've got faith, then nothing is impossible. Suppose a women falls with a child. When she gets up, she first sees that the child is not hurt. In the same way, the master also knows. When one has got the faith, He knows, so all his misunderstandings and doubts are cleared by Him. Otherwise, how can 'suddenly' or 'abruptly' come up? How can it come up? You have to know your Self only. You only represent or misrepresent your Self. If that understanding doesn't come then the ego will remain.

Q: So, once you know or once you've tasted, then how can any doubts arise. Is that what you're saying?

RM: Yes, you become doubtless, no? Once you know, "I am not this", then? My master told me, "After understanding, if you want to stay, stay. Stay in the jail if you like, but take it in your mind that "I am not a victim"". One cannot not afford to leave the illusory fast, so live there, but understand that much, "I'm not the victim." So, stay in the jail but take it for granted, or in the mind, that "I am not a victim." Ego is such - in very many ways he remains, in different shapes, in different ways, he remains. So, one should really be aware, always of understanding, and then, once you are complete, then there's nothing to worry about. What you see is illusion. If you understand 'myself' is illusion, then where does everything remain? People don't understand. Illusion is nothing, how can it block you? How can nothing block you?

Q: For you it's an illusion, but for most people it's so real.

RM: When the master teaches you, you can get the experience. Experience brings everything. The boy is an ignorant boy, then he goes to school. Finally, he graduates from the college as a doctor, or a barrister, or an engineer. He gets the knowledge. In the same way here, also. Nothing is impossible in the world, bas. But everything has become impossible in the world, because people are stealing for this. You are He, so what is impossible? You don't understand, you don't take it to heart. That is the impossibility.

Many people come and ask me, "Where's the master, and what to do?" Their master is not living at the moment and still they ask the question, "What can we do?" Somebody said to me, "I have got three master's - Nisargadatta Master, Siddharameshwar Master and yourself also." This is a wrong thing of the mind. Only one sword can stay in one sheath. Two cannot stay. You must leave either that master and forget him. That is the main point, nothing else. So I was loving Lord Krishna like anything, but still I left him because I saw Siddharameshwar Maharaj. So I always say, "I saw him and he conquered me." That is the main point in it. One should have great love for the master and great devotion also. What he says is correct, if you understand that. At that time, he taught meditation. He also told us, "You can see many Gods also. No harm - one can see, but there's no need for all this nonsense, this is also a trial." I was very young and so he has to tell me that. I never minded that thing also. Why should I mind? What he says is correct, no? I can say now myself, that "I am He now." Very strongly I can say that "I am He". I don't exist myself. I don't exist as a master also, not anything. I am He. Master is also ego. To be a master is also ego. Forget that!

Q: Yesterday, you also mentioned the saying, "This is not me, this is not me". I find that this is also a beautiful way.

RM: Yes, exactly. "I am not", you have to say that. "I am" is very thorny. 'I' never exists. In a dream you become something, you become 'I', no? When you awake, you say, "Oh it was wrong." So this (waking state) is a very long dream. So, seeing the master is required, so that then after you, yourself have the understanding and will say, "Oh, this is all illusion, why to worry?" It is very easy and very hard also, both ways. If the mind accepts, then it is very easy. Thinking should be changed, nothing else! The track of the mind - the mind is derailed, like a train. Put it on the right track, and then it goes!

Q: Could you explain to us what the significance of the pilgrimage is for you?

R. M.: Significance means - Siddharameshwar Maharaj's last remains are kept there in Bagewadi. Then, what to do now? Bodily, he has left. So we go there and worship for sometime. He is everywhere, so there is nothing to worry about. Yourself is He. Still, there you have to make the duality to understand, to realise or cherish something. You follow me?

Q: So, it helps to make the understanding stronger?

RM.: Yes, yes, yes, understanding. It helps you more. When you go on the pigrimage, your thoughts all go away. Worldly thoughts also go away. All are the birds of the same feather there. So you worship there, you do many things, and that helps you. That's the meaning of the pilgrimage. And other things also. We also visited Chimmud, no? You can see how the pyre was built there - the man who made up his own pyre and then he slept over it and said, "When my breathing leaves me, light the fire." And still it stands today. It's about 18 feet high. It was built over a hundred years ago, a hundred years have passed away. So, your mind takes you, drags you there. And you also forget all the worldly affairs. What to do? So this is the only thing, nothing else. After understanding, why does he go on a pilrimage? Where to go and where not to go? So he goes there. If you go to the cinema then all troubles come, no? Money is required, first.of all (laughter) Nothing is required to be with Him. That's the pilgrimage. So, we also visit my master's birthplace (Pathri), where he took the birth, and he achieved such Reality, which most people cannot understand.

Many saints also don't understand, I dare say now! Ramakrishna Parmahansa was there and some realised person met him. Ramakrishna told him that he was only worshipping Kali Kamata. A power, a Godess - her name was Kali. That person told Ramakrishna, " Take that photo and spit on it, then only can you realise." These are all worldly affairs. Worshipping is also a worldly affair, no?. All of these things, forget them, and then you can understand your Self, "Who am I?". Otherwise you can't understand. So, my master also said, "Forget everybody." Idols also. When you go to church, Christ's body is not there, only the emblem is there, no? If you worship the emblem only, then you will become only the emblem. You won't be He. But if you worship the Reality, then you become the Reality. Christ said, "I am God", and then his own disciples killed him. At that time people didn't have a very high intellectual capacity. Their caliber was very poor and so they could not accept what Christ said.. So they killed him. "How can he be God?" Understanding should come. So, Christ taught with understanding. He said at the end, "Oh my Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing. They kill my body, but they can not kill me." That's the meaning in it. In the same way, if anybody comes to you and says, "I'm going to kill you", you say, "Kill me! It is very good for me not to remain in the body because I am He". (giggles) As I have taken the birth I must remain in the body for a certain time.

So, never worry. Siddharameshwar Maharaj was the right person, he has given this understanding. So what to do now? So we do these pilgrimages, we go there and pray. What we pray here, we pray there as well. We are doing nothing more. It's just a different way - we all go there at the same time. Then your mind can be dragged to that side (Reality), nothing else. So, for that purpose all these things are required.

The saint Tukaram, after he had understood the Reality, met together with some people who were going to Pandrapur, which is a pilgrimage place for Lord Krishna. One of them said to him, "Come on, Tukaram Maharaj, you have to come with us to Pandrapur." Then he said, "My Pandrapur is here now, not there". In this way, the understanding comes and after there is nothing to do. No need. But what should one do as long as the body is there or many people are there? Many people cannot understand this. It is very difficult for them to understand. It is very easy, but people don't want things easy. They want the hard things. For example, you ask someone, "Where is your left ear?" He says, "Oh, it's here". (Maharaj reaches with his right arm over his head to his left ear). But if they do it this way, then? (Maharaj reaches with his left hand up to his left ear). It's called 'Dravidian Pranayam' (makes the first gesture, reaching over the head). Wrong things! Do it the easier way and say, "It is here!" In the same way, say "He is always here!" So Vitthoba, or Lord Krishna, or Siddharameshwar Maharaj, all are here. Know that everybody is He. When that understanding comes, then there is no need to do anything. But still, the realised person does it for the other people, to give them some satisfaction and understanding so that one day they too can understand, why not? All that is the meaning of the pilgrimage, nothing else. Otherwise, the pilgrimage has no meaning. He is everywhere, no? But his last bodily remains are kept there, so we go there and pray. Nothing else. But he has said, "Nothing is required." Okay, but still people cannot understand, so in order to give them some understanding, he goes with them and does everything. Nothing to worry. He does everything, no? Our master has told us, "You have to sing bhajans." I have sung four bhajans up to now. For the past 75 years, since I was twelve years old, I am doing that, what to do? And in that I relish! Nothing remains and no trouble comes to me. If I have a few hours to live - I'll do it! At night, any time - no harm. No bondage of time. If you feel trouble, a fever is coming, then sleep. But don't forget him. Get up afterwards when you feel better and sing that bhajan, and then afterwards sleep - everything will go off, nothing to worry.(giggles). That is his power. Your power means his power, nothing else. Understanding should come, nothing else. You do nothing for him, you do for your Self. Your Self is He. That's the main point in it, nothing else. Be He and do everything. You do everything already, so why not worship Him?

When we talk, we say, "Mine, yours, his, hers". After understanding also one has to say: "This is my share, this is your share". You have to say, no? So why should worshipping be forgotten? That is also ego, to say, "Now I have understood, so why should I worship anybody?" Ego comes back again. So, to take out the ego and to crush the ego, you have to do it and you can do it! What happens? You go to toilet, you eat, you drink, you sleep, you do everything. Why to worry? Nothing is there. When you worship, your mind becomes stronger and stronger and moves over to that side (Reality). Then finally you become He. Today you are He, but you don't know it. Your mind makes some objections. Mind doesn't allow you to go to the Reality, because he knows that his death is there. So, he makes some objections, some points and drags you back, nothing else. So one should overcome the mind, nothing else. Forget your mind and make His mind your mind, the master's mind your mind. Then you can be He in a fraction of a second, why not? If acceptance comes, then what remains? But you don't accept it because your love for the illusion doesn't go. The love for the illusion is so strong, so we take people on the pilgrimage and get them do this and do that, and then they come round.

For example, if a boy doesn't do his homework, then? Sometimes you have to beat him, and sometimes you have to say to him, "We won't give you your lunch or dinner unless you do your homework". When he doesn't get lunch or dinner he says, "Oh, I have to do it!". In the same way here also, we have to do something. Nothing is required, only if you understand that. But still, what the master says, do it, so that the ego never comes in. If you keep the door open, a thief must come in, no? But if you lock it, then nobody can come in. So when you sleep, you have to lock everything before you sleep. The thief sees that nothing is kept open so he can not come in. Thief is ego. Otherwise, ego is such a nonsense thing. Even after realising, sometimes it comes in the mind. As long as the body is there, mind will be there. When it troubles you, stop him and crush him.. So, that which troubles you, forget that always. Crush it within a fraction of a second. Don't have any mercy for it. One should forget himself. Forget himself means the wrong self. Then Reality opens and is there always. If you go out of this building then you are outside, and when you are in, everything comes upon you, what to do? Anyone can say, "You have trespassed". But when you are out, who can say that you have trespassed? "No, I have not trespassed ", he says. So he is always free. The mind should be kept free always. Keep your mind so strong, so that nothing can come in it. When that understanding comes then you are He, and then there is nothing to worry about. That is the main purpose of the pilgrimage. People can enjoy and at the same time understand, that's the main point. Enjoying and understanding come more and more together. That is good, no? (laughs). Any more questions?

Q: Yes, one more. How do you see the world?

RM: (Laughs). How do you see a ghost? There's nothing there, so what is there to say? As long as the body is there, he acts, no doubt. He calls his mother 'mother', and his wife 'wife', but still he knows. If somebody asks him, "What is your name?", he gives his name, but he knows, "I am not this." That clear cut understanding is required. Complete understanding is called 'That'. Be in 'That'. Yesterday, I said, "Be like a lotus leaf. You are produced in water, you live in water, but you are not touched by water." So stay in that way, nothing else. Nothing needs to be demolished. Why demolish anything? What are they? Why are they there, troubling you? In fact, they don't trouble you. You go in and get more troubles. This chair never says, "I am yours." You say, "It is my chair." So, who is at fault? Not the chair, but yourself. The chair says nothing. So, in that way you can see the world. He can stay in the world. He stays like a child, without any interest. So, Shankaracharya has given very nice words for this - " He stays in thoughtless Reality and in the thought He remains, but He knows he is a thought." In short, he plays with the illusion.

For example, if you play with a serpent, first take out his poisonous tooth and then play. Poisonous tooth is the only troubling point, no? So, it is all illusion and not true, and if you understand that it's all nothing, then you can play in it! What harms you? There is nothing! What will harm you? So, be just like a lotus leaf, always live in the life. A realised person does not fear death, he does not care for anything more, and he does not want anything. When he does not want anything, people bring things and put them before him, He says "No, I don't want". They insist and say, "No, you must take it!". Suppose you come home, and you say to your mother or wife, "I don't want to eat anything." They will ask, "What happened, why are you not eating?" They will ask you many questions. But suppose, instead you say, "Is my khana (meal) ready or not!?" They will respond,"Wait awhile, it will be ready soon". She responds very politely but inwardly she thinks, "It will be ready soon, and if you want it, you can have some, and if you don't want it then...." So, in the world, one should not expect anything. You must first know your Self in your heart. Otherwise, you will be a slave of the illusion. Want nothing, understand that, because there is nothing, it's not true!

Other Questioner : Maharaj, if it's all a dream, an illusion, then I am a dream figure in this illusion, is that correct ? If I am part of the dream do I have any control over what happens in the dream ?

RM: If you do not dream, then, how can a dream come to you? If you go to sleep, and if you take the dream as true then you do everything in the dream. Same way here also, if you take this as a dream, why to worry about it? You worry always for the dream. The dream should be like this or this way, it should go that way. The river does not worry where it gets to, it just flows. In the same way, after understanding, stays like this, never worrying. Whatever happens is okay. If bad things happen against him, he says, " It's okay, because it is my wish". It is your dream, no? You have taken birth in the dream, so you are bound in the dream. In a dream there is no law, for example, a plane can land in your bedroom. You can also do everything, so your power is so strong. A plane automatically lands in the room, and you experience this.

For example, here (waking state) if you want money, you first have to deposit it in the bank. But in a dream, if you want money, you can get the money immediately. You have to wait nine months here for a child, but in the dream, in the spur of the moment you can have a child. No need to wait nine months. All you have to do is say, "I want a child", and the child is there. The power is so strong. As you have become a body, your power is so synchronised, so small, that you cannot do anything. Now, we have to awake your power, nothing else. What does the realised person do? He awakens your power, which is sleeping. He awakens you and when you are awake, then the world becomes as small part of a sesame seed. The whole world, which was such a big world, is nothing but a part of a sesame seed, it is nothing. When understanding comes, then nothing remains.

Q: Does the individual have discrimination power himself or does it come from the master?

RM: From the master. He teaches you because you do not know that one plus two is three. When you go to school, you understand. Now you can say that one plus two is three. An enlightened person says at once, "One plus two is three, I know !" So strongly, you say. Understanding should come. Master awakens your understanding. When you are sleeping, he gives you a force and he awakens you. If you are in a dream or if you are in trouble, somebody awakens you, "Get up! What happened? You are crying." You say, "No, no I did not know, I was not crying !" He was crying, but he did not know. Then he awakens and sees that nothing is there. All the time we are saying wrong things. Understanding should come in the mind. Mind should be awakened, nothing else. Mind is sleeping in ignorance, it takes everything for true and it acts in such a way that more ignorance comes to him.

In the same way, the master awakens you. He awakens your understanding and then you yourself can say "I am He". Because everybody is He. Except Him there is nobody in the world, world is full of Him. Except Him, nothing is there. What you see is He. It does not exist, but due to the body you feel the hardness of that (taps the chair). So I give the example, you're dreaming and in the dream somebody gives you a slap on the face. You feel the slap and immediately you awaken and find only pillows. You then realise, "Oh, it was nothing ! Nobody slapped me." In the dream, somebody kills you, "Ahhh, I am killed!" Then you wake up. "All is wrong, nobody was there." Then your fear goes away. Awakening brings no fear. One should be fearless. Then he becomes realised. 'Fearless' means, mind becomes completely naked - nothing is true. Even God will say, "Oh, he's He now - I cannot do anything for him." That is the power that comes in the mind, nothing else. All is that power, doing is nothing. Power of Reality is so strong. That which is not, you see everything here, but nothing is happening in Him. That is Reality. For example, you watch a film for three hours on a cinema screen. Then the film ends and the screen becomes blank. The screen doesn't scream, doesn't laugh, doesn't sing, but during the film everything appears on it. In the same way, here we experience many things due to the mind becoming very objective. You see all the objects as true. At the moment the understanding comes, you see that everything is nothing, zero. That is the main point in it, nothing else. Mind should accept it. Once accepted by the mind then nothing remains, everything is zero and myself is Truth.

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SATSANG WITH RANJIT MAHARAJ

http://www.inner-quest.org/Images/Q72.gifuestion: Would you say that Reality is silence reflecting Itself?

Ranjit Maharaj: You can see the space, you can observe the space, you can feel the space, but Reality is beyond space. Space is zero. No silence is there, no voice is there, no peace is there, no state is there. All these are conditional things. When you sleep, you feel happy, but here there is no happiness, take it for granted.

So silence is also not He (Reality), peace is not He. Action and reaction are opposite and equal, it is like that. He has got nothing. If anything would have been there, that would have been something other than Reality and not He. Nothing disturbs Him. Why doesn't It get disturbed? Because It doesn't exist. When you sleep, nothing exists. Then you feel peace there. Why? Because, for example, suppose a man is running in a race during the whole day. When he wins that race, he is sweating and breathing so much. But that is not the pleasure, winning is the pleasure. Nothing is required for Reality, otherwise that would have disturbed the Reality.

Q: Then, Reality is known by Itself only.

RM: That will do, at least. Otherwise, that is also not there. How can It see anything?

Q: It speaks for Itself.

RM: It doesn't speak also. Forget this point, it's easier. There's no experience in It. What experience have you got when you sleep? Is there is something there, some knowledge or some power? Everything goes off. So, nothing is there and neither is knowledge. It's beyond knowledge and beyond zero. It's beyond ignorance and knowledge. Knowledge is a concept, nothing else. Just yesterday I said, "Darkness and light go together." When a light goes off, then darkness is there. You have not to even call for that. And if you put on the light, darkness automatically goes off.

Ranjit Maharaj

You have not to say, "Please guy, go out", because they are one. In the same way, knowledge and ignorance are both one. In my master's words, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, "Knowledge is the greatest ignorance." By knowledge, we know that which is nothing, and that is a trick, nothing else. One should know the trick. A magician does many quick movements, and everything disappears all of a sudden. Here, it is also the same. Master only teaches you this trick. There's no master and no aspirant in the Reality. Both are not there, they cannot remain. How can duality be there when there is completeness? When there is duality, there is incompleteness. Only 'Oneness' is complete. We have to use the word, 'Oneness'. Why? Because you see so many things, so you have to use the word 'Oneness'. But in Reality, there is neither peace, nor any state. 'Peace', 'state', 'samadhi' are only methods. They are the real poison, because they take you away from It, and as a result your ego becomes stronger and stronger.

Then the question may arise from the aspirant, "What should I do?" Do nothing! Words only go up to the space. Lord Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita, "There, from where the words come, that is my Self. That is my Self." The same thing was said by Christ also, in the Bible, "Know thyself and you know the world." Go up to that point where thinking ends, go up to That, and there is the Self. So, I always call it, "Self without self". So, Self realisation is Self without self. As long as realising remains, self remains. The eyes have got the habit to see that which is not. You say, "This is a chair", but it is not. The child will say, "This is water." His parents will say, "No, no, it's called an ocean." They pour more ignorance into him. On the contrary, he is right, it's nothing but water. He submits to their instructions. Ignorant people will always like ignorance and will not like knowledge. In the Hindi scripts it is written, "Mind has got the curse not to hear the master." Mind doesn't like it. All the people around you are just full of ignorance and they want to support their ignorance. They don't want to get rid of their ignorance. People don't like to go and see a saint and also don't like it when other people go because they're afraid to lose a person from their circle. The saint takes you up to That, up to the Reality and says, "Understand yourself." This is the position.

Q: But life springs out from Reality. Isn't life under the authority of Reality?

RM: The whole dream reflects from where? From zero. It doesn't reflect from Reality, it reflects from zero. In ignorance, you forget the Reality and then something comes up. In sleep we forget everything, but when we wake up, everything returns at once, in a fraction of a second. So, from where does it come? Not from Him. If it had come from There, it would have been the Reality and if so, then the world ends there.

Q: It could be a game for Reality to express itself in the manifestation.

RM: It's a trick. Here at zero, you can dream up whatever you wish, anything. You may never expect to get something, but still you may perhaps get it. It has not come from you - everything which is there has come out from this ignorance. Ignorance has come about by hearing. Now, you have to hear the master and follow what he says, and then all ignorance goes off. Go to the master and tell him, "Put my name on your record." You go to school and put the name of the boy in the school, no? And then, he has to go to the school and learn. It's the same way here, also. One should go to the master and what he says, accept it. If you accept it, then you can achieve the goal very fast, within a fraction of a second. Why not?

Q: I would like to know about death. I am not afraid of death myself, but I have some relatives who are. So, how am I to relate to them?

RM: Let them understand what they understand. You first understand yourself that death is nothing. If you teach them, they won't hear you. But still you will know yourself, "I am birthless, I am deathless. I have never taken a birth and I will never die." Keep that knowledge in your mind. If somebody you know is dying then tell them, "Don't fear. Don't fear. Die." (Laughs) You should say in your mind, "When you die, don't worry, because all fear also goes off." For example, a serpent is there. Take his poisonous tooth out and play with him. Then, he is not going to do anything with you, no? Let people say, "Oh, watch out, you are playing with a serpent!" You can say to them, "Okay, I'm playing. Do you want to play also?" They all won't do it, because they are in fear. You know that you have taken out the poisonous tooth of the serpent and so it's not going to do any harm to you. Death is nothing. Everyday, when you sleep it's like a small death, and you don't fear that death because you know that you will get up tomorrow. But suppose you die in the sleep, then what to do? Why to fear? Nothing is there. Everything is an illusion. Keep your mind in that fearless state only. Let others have fear. Just as the poisonous tooth is taken out, in the same way, play with the world, there is no harm. It won't affect your mind. Live fearlessly - no death, no fear, knowing that, "I am that real power."

Q: Is it your role to remove the thorn of ego, and if so, can you help me to remove this thorn?

RM.: "Take out the thorn". That is the help which I give. Otherwise, how can I help you? You have to take out your own things. I can tell you, but you have to take it out. It doesn't exist, take it for granted. It doesn't exist, but you feel its existence. You don't leave it, that's the difficulty. What to do? You have fear of what will happen. Nothing else is going to happen. Nothing has happened up to now, so what is going to happen now? So, to take out the ego, always say, "I know nothing. I don't see, I don't hear, I don't eat, I don't sleep, I don't walk. I do nothing." Ego must go. For example, the doctor gives you medicine. You cannot cure the disease unless you leave the disease. After some time, the doctor again comes to see if you are better and you say to him, "Oh, I'm still not well." What can he do if you don't take the medicine, tell me? So, to take out the ego say, "I do nothing. I don't sleep, I don't speak, I don't do anything. 'I' is not there." That is a practise. You can do it.

Q: In your bhajans (devotional singing), what concept do you worship, Maharaj?

RM: We worship That which is conceptless and thoughtless. The whole essence of worship is to make your mind stronger towards the side of Reality . My guru, Siddharameshwar Maharaj, and his master, Bhausaheb Maharaj from Karnataka, were gurus from Sholapur. Bhausaheb Maharaj started this lineage and has kept full wisdom in it, full understanding. There are many saints in India, and they've written so many things. So, he has gathered the highest thoughts about the Reality. You cannot understand it because it is in the Marathi language, so there is a difficulty. Otherwise, you would see that every word has got a very strong meaning of the Reality. When you see a movie, for example, and if you like a song in the movie, then after coming home you sing that song, over and over again. So, by singing the bhajans, you remain in that circle of Reality, nothing else. No concept. When a concept is known, how do you worship a concept? We keep Siddharameshwar Maharaj's photo only, but he is here (holding his chest) and not up there on the wall. People do things which they don't know. When you say, 'Christ', people cross themselves. This means that Christ is here and not there. What to do? But most feel He is there. That is ignorance. Knowing that, "I am not there", is the practise. For example, if you leave the room, then you are out of the room, otherwise, you remain in the room. So, you should leave the room. That's the only thing you have to do. It depends upon you. The master is there to guide you, nothing else.

Q: I live in fear and I do not dare to live my life. What should I do to overcome this fear?

RM.: Fear is in human nature, it is always there. Everybody has got fear, even the animals, because they understand that "I am the body". Body is always fearing and mind is the greatest factor in it. Mind is nothing but your own concept. A concept is knowledge also, so fear always comes into the mind due to the unsteadiness of the world. Every minute is changing. That which is not steady, the mind always has fear for that. Your own life is also nothing - it depends only on your own breathing. As long as you breathe everything is there. Breathing is nothing but wind and wind is never steady. Wind has got both power and knowledge. And so light is always in fear of darkness. Why fear darkness, because light and darkness both go together? Where there is light, there is darkness - if darkness is there, light is there , so they are not steady. Therefore, one always has fear, as you say. If you go beyond darkness or beyond knowledge, then there is no fear at all. For example, a cinema screen has no fear of any picture, because it is steady. So, that which is not steady, it always has fear. Your mind changes at every moment, no?

Human beings have got fear of even the smallest insects - insects, birds and germs. There are so many kinds of germs, bacteria. Also, all kinds of insects are there because power is life, nothing else. So, man always has got the fear of nothing but death. There are five elements in the world - sky, fire, water, earth, wind - all come from the sky. Still, all of them have got an exactly opposite entity - sky always traps the wind, wind always grabs fire, fire always grabs water, and water can dissolve earth at any moment. That which is transitory has always got the fear. Your thoughts and concepts are transitory, every moment you change your thoughts and concepts. So, one is always in fear. Body is made up of the five elements, nothing else, and one power is there, chetana. So they all work together, because the power is there. So, mind is nothing but that power in a subtle form, and the power is nothing but knowledge. It is automatic, so fear must be there. For example,there are so many insects, so many things in the world. You fear everybody, what can you do? Because you want your body to remain intact. Fear is always there, so to work on fear one should know his own Self. It is easy, and is called Self-realisation. So, one should not fear if he realises that, "I am beyond zero or sky".

Krishna says to Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita, who was his aspirant, "Oh Arjuna, all your actions limit you and are useless unless you know your Self." So to get out of the fear, you go to the church, pray to God, and the Hindus go to the temples and pray. Fear itself is the mind. Worshipping, reading many, many philosophical books, all these things make your mind more complicated, and that complication always brings more fear. So the mind cannot remain steady. If your mind knows its own source or its own beginning, only then can it be happy. So fear is that. So one can overcome fear, why not? When there is nothing, your fear is always more. For example, if you are in a lonely place, then you have lots of fear. Loneliness is nothing but space. So go beyond space by the grace of the master. Only by the understanding given by the master you can penetrate the sky and go beyond the sky, beyond the space. As long as body is there, fear has to be there, nothing else. If you want to be fearless, be what is fearless, because it has no end. Final Reality has no end and no beginning. That which has got a start or an end has some fear, but if It has no start, how can it have an end? It is limitless nothing else. It is so subtle that all thoughts and concepts stop there. They cannot enter there. So as I said before, the cinema screen has nothing to worry about. Let any pictures come - he shows them, he does everything, yet he is fearless. The screen does not get touched, therefore it is fearless. If you get touched, then fear comes. Suppose you see a rope in the darkness, and you take it for a serpent at once. Therefore, you are so afraid of it. If the light is turned on, then all the fear goes away when you see that it is only a rope. Understanding of the Self erases all fears, because it is all Oneness, so there is no duality in it. Duality has fear, oneness has no fear.

Q: It is difficult for me to have an aim, and to go to the end of my being. I feel empty, I have no energy and have no fixed aim in life.

RM: Aim is of the mind and you are not the mind. You are the power, so why can you not go up to the power? Aim and power are different things. One should not feel like this. You think you are the mind and the body, so therefore you say, "I am not capable of reaching Reality". It is not the case, they are both different. Like light and electricity, they are quite different. Electricity has no light, but because of such contrivances it gives light. So, mind is not perfect, thought is not perfect, but your Self, the power which is in you is completely perfect. Wherever it is, it is perfect, so why would it not be perfect in you? It is perfect in every place. Due to identity of the body and mind, you say that you are not perfect. Everything disappears in deep sleep, so why can you not go to the end of your Self? From where does this power start, find out the source, and that is your Self. There, there is no self. But if you say the 'body', then you have to say the 'self'. There is no self in It, there is no individuality in It, there is also no duality in It. So one can understand the final Reality through the guidance of the master. It depends upon the master, whether he gives you the right direction to understand. If the address is wrong, then you cannot reach the destination. The master should be perfect, then only can he give the real thoughts or points of that Reality. It is easy for one to understand, but it is very difficult to make others understand. So, one should not think in that way. For example, you always go to the end of yourself if you do not know what to do. As in sleep, you go to the end of your self. But you do not know, so you come back with ignorance. You then say, "I was in a void" or "I was in complete ignorance". Reality is already there but you do not know that due to the ignorance of the mind. It pervades everywhere and anywhere. Without Him nothing can be done. Everything is He. The starting point is the end, nothing else. From where you start, always go to that without any effort. For example, lava comes out from the center of the Earth, it covers the surface and finally it returns back to the center. So, Christ also said, "Thou art dust - you eat dust and you die in dust." Go beyond that. You are not an object, neither a body nor a mind, so go to the end of all these things, from where they arise and from where they end. Then one can understand, why not?

The owner of a house knows every corner of his house, so he has nothing to worry about. He knows where everything is. In the same way, one should go to the end, from where everything starts. Everybody is He. Apart from That, there is nothing. So one can understand, one must understand. Remove the screen of ignorance which has come upon you. Take away the veil of ignorance. Take off the cloth from in front of the light, and instantly the light is there! One can go to the end. Everyday, when you sleep, you go to the end. There you have to find out your Self. 'Finding out' means what? Forget your mind, forget your thoughts and forget your self. He is there.

Q: Does admitting that one is powerless help?

RM: Powerless? How can it be, because you are that real power? But ego is powerless, because it has no entity at all. If it has no entity, how can it have power? What can you write to one who has not taken the birth? You can't! Ego, having no entity, has no power. The moon doesn't produce light, but it gives light that comes from the sun. In the same way, ego also is just like the moon. The power which is inside the ego gives light to him and he (ego) says, "I am there, power is not at all there, it has no entity." So why cannot one shade out, erase the ego which has no entity? One who has not taken the birth, you can't take anything to him, no? In the same way, why worry about that which has no entity? Go to the end. One can. Only your ego does not allow you to go there. Ego knows that if you see your Self or the end of illusion, then it will never remain there and nobody will think of it. Don't think that you cannot go there! It's only the weakness of your mind that says, "I cannot understand Him". It's like a light bulb which shines light and says, "I produce the light". It cannot understand electricity. When you do not think that you are the light bulb, then the power is there. If one can go to the end, from where the light comes from, his entity will be nowhere. All the pictures which you see on the cinema screen and the sounds you hear - if you want to know from where they come, after, will the screen remain? So one can go, why not? Ignorance of mind says it cannot go. 'Mind' means thinking, and thinking cannot approach the thoughtless Reality. So therefore the mind says that it is impossible, doesn't it? Thinking goes off and He remains.

Q: You say it is through discrimination that one can destroy the mind. But what about blocked emotions, fears or emotional blocks which go back to childhood and of which we are not always aware? What should one do to free oneself from them?

RM: You have to keep going, hurdles must be there, but the hurdles should be overtaken. For example, a horse race is going on and there are many hurdles on the track. One should overcome the problems, why not? A problem is a thought. From your childhood, you must have had many thoughts, no? Who has given you those thoughts? Your father, your mother and then your circle of friends. All those thoughts have come upon you from ignorant people, so what can they give you? What can darkness give? Tell me. Nothing! What can you find out in darkness? Nothing! In the same way here, you have to discover that which is nothing. All your thoughts are an illusion, not at all true. All have come to you due to ignorance and now have become a habit. If you think about your thoughts, then the illusion remains. But if you go to the source from where the thoughts arise, the starting point, if you go up to that source then the thoughts dissolves! You never think of the Reality, the source, you always think of other things. You never think of your thoughts and from where do they come. All bondages are only mind bondages, and you have borrowed them. Money that is borrowed is not yours, isn't it? In the same way, you've borrowed the thoughts of others and taken them as your bondage, how can it be? Throw off that bondage, give the money back to the creditor, and then you are free of the debt. You have to be free of the debt, no? In the same way, you have taken the bondages of others on you. Throw that off! Who stops you? You do not want to throw them away, what to do?

Q: Because of fear.

RM: Fear is ignorance, what to do? Fear is nothing! Why do you have fear, tell me? Is it due to the ego, tell me? Are you afraid of what people will say?

Q: Fear of conflict. I'm afraid of opposing others.

RM: Then, you can't get the goal. Fear has no entity. If you take it for real, then how can you go to the thoughtless Reality? Everybody is naked under their clothes, everybody knows, no? Why to fear? I don't understand. If the master is real and what he says is true, then perhaps "fears can be liars, and hopes can be illusions". Fears can be liars, so how can they have any entity? Hopes also have no entity. What can harm you if you've got a strong master? And that master should be your mind!. In India, we have a saying in Hindi, "One who is fearless, even the Gods fear him." Even the Gods fear you, so why should you fear anything? Be naked! Throw off everything and then nothing can touch you, nothing can stop you. When the fears come in the way, throw them off! You are He, take it for granted.

Climb the 44 steps, and you must get to the room, no? If there are 44 steps to go up to the second floor, and you climb them all, then you must get to the second floor, no? Or if you take the lift, you will also get there, who can stop you? So, which fears can stop you? Fears are nothing. When the ego does not want to see his own Self, then the fears arise. So, the ego does not allow you, that's all. What you know today and what you are going to know tomorrow is always the same. Knowledge never changes. Due to ignorance, the effects differ. Just as I said before - keep the cover on the light, then there will be darkness. Take off the cover, and the light returns.

Q: Maharaj, is there a special technique to remove the veil? Or is it sufficient to have much courage and be brave in the face of these fears, so that they naturally disappear?

RM: One should be brave to live. When you are brave, then fear does not remain. Be brave and have faith in the master. What he says, do it. You can get it, because you are He. To get your Self, how much time does it take? If someone calls your name, you immediately put your hand up. How much time does it takes for you to respond? Instantly you do it. So, what you are, what you say is the final Reality, is you. How much time does it take? Throw off the apron (veil). You do not want to throw off the apron, what to do? Anyway, Reality cannot be seen, what to do? It is very easy to leave that which is nothing and it is very difficult to see that which is there. That you have forgotten and therefore you get troubles. In the same way, it is very easy, don't worry. One should have full faith himself. Here, the mind always asks questions. For example, in the army they say, "You should not ask any questions, you should not make any reply, but you should only do your duty and die". These are the orders for the military, and it's the same here also. (laughs) Master says, "Die! Experience your own death!" Saint Tukaram said, "I saw my death and I was very, very happy. That happiness I could not describe". One should see the end of his self, self is the mind. In India we have a custom - on the 13th day after someone dies, sweets are given to all the relatives. What is the meaning of it? There must be a meaning, no? It is - "He is not dead, he never dies". They do not understand this, but still the meaning is that, and they just follow the custom. So, why not give sweets to all? Because I am not dying, I am ever living, if you understand. When the body goes, only the body or ego has fear. So if it goes then give sweets to all!

A person in jail always counts how many days remain until he gets out. In the same way here also, people don't understand but when the first birthday comes, sweets are given. All birthdays are celebrated by giving sweets. They think that the time has come for the bondage to go away. Old age is sure to come and the bondage is going off, so one celebrates the birthdays. One year less to live from your life, but even so, you still celebrate because the bondage of the body is now ending. Some people enjoy birthdays. One year is short, but still it is one year less in the illusion. Suppose you are 25 years old and if your life is 100 years, then you only have 75 years remaining. When you see that you've lost 25 years, you should be happy and give sweets to all, because your bondage is going to end very fast! So, always live fearlessly and have your own pleasure.

Anything which you think of is always something which doesn't exist, because everything is He only. Except Him, there is nothing in the world. Whatever thought or concept you think of creates something other than what He is. When thinking ends, what happens? You go into zero. In the world, you spend your time only thinking of so many things, so many problems, whatever it may be. But still, when the minds sleeps, you forget everything. Thoughts continually come into the mind. For example, when 'I' stops seeing, then the space appears. Otherwise, there is no colour at all, even no sky colour. Once the vision ends, then only is there colour. So, what you see and perceive is in you and not outside of you. You are not the body, take it for granted. When the mind takes up a thought and gets attached to it, then everything is seen.

Reality prevails everywhere and apart from Reality there is nothing. It is there, everywhere and anywhere. The greatest saint in the last thousand years, Shankaracharya, has said, "There is Oneness. There is no duality in the world." For example, if someone drinks some alcohol, the effects must come to him, no? He then says anything he likes. And when the kick goes out, he then becomes sober again. Afterwards, if you ask him, "Did you say this?", he'll say, "Oh, I don't know anything." The kick of ignorance makes everything, brings everything. Take the kick out, then ignorance can not remain, why to worry?

The great saint, Ramdas Maharaj said, "What you say is there, has gone. That which is not, is always not. What is there to say about it?" So, that which has been has gone, and that which has not been has also gone. For example, someone feels some steel against his face. It's there, he feels something for a short time and then it's not there. Both have gone. Again, this is just like knowledge and ignorance. They are both there, then their absence has come, and after their absence, does anything remain? Nothing is there, but still He is there. You have to use so many words to explain this. It is so subtle. Little touches make all of consciousness come. Finally, you are That. Experience It in this way. Be That and remain like That only.

In the same way, this world is not at all there. You feel that it exists, what to do? Is anything here true? Nothing is! If you realise this, then nothing remains for you. It's all a big zero! The world comes from zero and ends in zero! The whole is ending in zero. When you sleep, does the world disappear or not? Sleeping means that you can't see the world. You have to close your eyes to fall asleep and then you have dreams. That is also imagination. In a dream, a poor man becomes a rich person and a rich person becomes the poorest person. For example, there was a king who became a beggar in the dream. So he cursed God, "What is this? Nobody gives me alms. Everybody abuses me and says bad things to me. What wrong have I done, I don't know?". God replies to him, "You came into this dream, that is the wrong thing which you have done. Also, you are dreaming wrong things which you feel are true". But when a master comes and says, "Oh, the one who is sleeping is a king", then he will play his part very nicely or not? Very nicely he will play his part. He tells the king that it's only a dream so that the king knows, "In the dream I am a beggar and when I awake from this dream, I will be a king". In the same way here also, master tells you that, "You are He", but you cannot accept this. But suppose if you dare to understand the master thoroughly, then? Then the world becomes heaven. For the one who understands, the world is heaven.

When something pleasant happens to someone who understand, he says, "Oh, very good". And when somebody dies, he says, "Oh, he's gone". He doesn't laugh, why? Because other people would be troubled by his laughter. But still, he knows that nothing has happened. The five elements return to the five elements and the power returns to the power, and then nothing remains! What is there? Who has gone? The one who came and who went away, his name is written on the tombstone. They write, "so-and-so died". He may have been 50 years old, or 80 years old or a 100 years old. If he was a 100 years old, you say, "Oh, it was his time to go". If he was only 30 years old then you too feel death, because you feel that death can come at any time. What to do? So dying can happen so easily, but one should not feel that they will die. When the body dies you don't die yourself. You feel that "I die," and then all those troubles come to you. But in fact, when one dies, all those troubles are going to end, no? No troubles remain for him, he's out of all troubles.

Q: So Maharaj, if you say it is not true, that means that you, in the body and the mind, are not true also.

RM: Oh yes! It is not true! What I think is also not true. "I don't think", is the main point in it. Why think about wrong things? Why think about things which don't even exist? People think because they are in ignorance. They think, "Oh, the world is going on now, what will happen to me?" A man is having his 70th birthday and he feels that if he dies tomorrow, what will happen? He dies and others continue to enjoy! All that depends upon your mind.

Q: So if it is not true, why think about it?

RM: If you think like that it's very good. Then you're out of the world. You are in the world but out of the world. That is the beauty of it. If you say this is not my house, then you have no troubles. You can put nails anywhere you like. But if you say,"It's my house", then you say "Oh, this wall has become bad. I should not put nails in it." You restrict yourself. Though it is wrong, still you restrict yourself. "Oh, how can I do it? It's my house". If you have no house then you can do anything here, because you know that nothing is going to happen. At the most, the walls might fall down. In this way understand. When you say it is mine then it troubles you. 'Me' and 'mine' is the trouble. M.I.N.E. - mine- That's called aham and mamata. So Kabir simply says, " Everything dies".

Q: Well, if I am not true, then death can't be true.

RM: Death is not true. Yes, yes.

Q: So, okay, that takes care of it all.

RM: Kabir says, " First, the mind dissolves. Then, the love for somebody ends. And, finally, all bodies disappear."

Q: So, that's freedom?

RM: Freedom. Exactly! The wish for a body, the strong desire for a body doesn't allow you to die. You then take another body. This body is going now, so what to do? So, you try to get another body. With that wish, you will die, and then you must get another body. Whatever body you get, it will get sick. Perhaps you may even become a mosquito or a bug. But he wants something, anyway. So, one should understand the beauty of the thoughts. The mind is a wonderful thing I tell you. It's so strong! It wants so many things. So you ask your mind, I always say, ask your mind, "What don't you want?" He says, "I want everything. I don't know what I don't want?". But the realised persons say, "I don't want anything because it's not true." When it is not true, why to take it? People are always running after things. For example, a deer runs after a mirage thinking it's water, no? If you say, "Oh, there is no water", the deer will think that you are a foolish person. "I can see the water, so what do you mean by that?", he says. He sees by his eyes that it's water, but it's a mirage. In the same way, people are running after their wish only. It's a desire, a strong desire of the mind. When you take birth, it's because you want to. So many births you have taken, gone there and come back again. That's called desire, a strong desire, or in our language it is called vasana. But if you understand that this world is not true, then every choice comes to you. Say it is not true. This is very difficult to say.

Q: It's easy to say, Maharaj, but it's difficult to practice.

RM: No, no! If you no longer want anything, then what is there to practice, tell me? You want something, so you are after it. When one doesn't want anything, then what remains for him, tell me? If you have child, a wife and everything, then some trouble comes to you. For me, for example, there's no trouble. I never ask anything to anybody. Why ask? Why beg? Let this body go to hell, I don't care! Every moment, you care for the body, what to do? Everybody cares for their body. If you don't care for the body, then the body becomes your slave. Then, whatever you want, the body will do it. "Come on!" It's really a very good thing if you understand this. Then, you are out of the clutch of the thoughts. When you're out of the clutch of the thoughts, then your power becomes so strong. Not to worry for anything. In Marathi there is a saying, " If I sleep on this cot, my God is there". He must give me everything to eat there. Everywhere is your power. Develop your power. If that power is there, then you no longer want anything. Why should you want?

Eyes want to see good things. Nose wants to smell very good things. "Oh, these are very fragrant flowers!" You want to eat many things, as well. "Oh, it's very tasty! One must eat." And all that makes more trouble for you. So, eat if you get it. Eat! Otherwise say, "I don't want anything". Don't be a slave. You become the slave of the thoughts, and the mind works and rules upon you. The mind is ruling you, always. So the best thing is to understand that one should practice against the mind. For example, the mind wants to drink something, brandy or whisky. Say, "No! I'm not going to drink". If the mind doesn't want to do anything, then say, "Come on, we're going to a party, or going walking". That is the practice you have to do. Then the mind becomes your slave in anything. Mind then says, "What I say you won't do it, so what is the use of it?" He agrees with you everywhere. And that is happiness or not? When the mind agrees, huh? The mind should agree, but he never wants to agree with anybody. So you have to think in this way and make your mind a slave. When it becomes a slave, then no thoughts come to you. What is the meaning of the thoughts? Due to the mind, thoughts come. It's better to say, "I don't want anything". If you don't want anything, then everybody forces you to have.

Mind is a wonderful factor. Try to understand your mind. When you understand it, it becomes a friend and finally dies itself giving you the Reality. Mind is the only factor that creates your bondage. I only want to say that if you understand that, "I don't exist," then everything is happiness. If you exist, then so many troubles come. What to do? Be out of it. Do everything! I don't say no. Do everything, but understand it's not true! Have that much courage. The mind has no value because it is not true. So why to worry? Say, it's not true. When the state of your mind changes, then trouble comes. Try to understand. Don't worry for anything. If the mind accepts this, then what remains? Nothing remains. People are unnecessarily worrying for the mind, but the mind doesn't care for you. If you understand in this way, then all questions are solved. You feel at ease. For example, if you have got a disease and you don't take your medicine, then are your troubles solved or not? Body will die. Let it die. Why care for it? All questions are solved then. The mind is a wonderful thing. Liberation and bondage are the mind's work. You are ever liberated and never in bondage.

Q: What happens, Maharaj, is that when it becomes clear to me that I don't exist, I instantly lose interest in everything. To me nothing seems important.

RM: And as long as you exist?

Q: Everything is important.

RM: Yes, yes, you feel interest in it. Say that, "I don't exist". Then all thoughts go off, they don't remain for a man with such a strong will. It takes a strong will, no? The main point in it is that everybody fears death. And when you fear death you want to do everything for your body. But one who doesn't fear death, then?

Q: Then the doing and not doing doesn't remain important to him, Maharaj.

RM: For him, it doesn't remain. It's okay! He doesn't go against the death thought. He doesn't care. He never cares for anybody. Why? Why care for anybody? People want to exist, no? What good is their existence, your existence?

Q: Maharaj, since the mind appears to be the cause of the world, one does not really have to marry and have children to have troubles. One can be without them and still have enough troubles.

RM: So there is the story where golden, wooden ladoos (sweets) are made and they have a very nice colour. Someone says, "Oh, if you eat them you will lose all your teeth". But still he says, "They're very attractive! I want to eat them." He knows they are made from wood, and that he might lose his teeth, but he can't help it. What to do? So one should understand. World is not true! One who understands, then it's okay. If you half understand, then you are lost in heaven. The mind is of a very different type. Try to understand. Understanding brings everything. If you understand, then nothing is true and nothing is false. So, someone who says that the world is true and someone who says that it's not true, in fact, both are wrong.

Q: This is interesting, Maharaj. Why are both wrong?

RM: Both are wrong. Why say anything about something that doesn't exist? Nothing is always nothing. Why even take any pride and say, "I've renounced the world, and I've done this and I've done that"? World itself is zero. Why should you say anything about zero? But still ego makes you say, "Oh, I know! World is not true, why should I worry?" Ego brings all this. Ego is a very wretched chap. It gets in the way. So many 'saints' are cheating themselves. What to do? They find nothing There. They come back and they teach wrong things to others. They say, "Do this and you'll get it". So people do this and do that. Their is a saying, "The saw of Kashi (Benares) cuts both ways". Worldly things are of the same way as the saw - if you don't want the world, it troubles you, and if you want the world, it also troubles you. What to do? Be neutral and say, " I don't want anything".

Q: Or be in it and be troubled, Maharaj.

RM: Yes. If there is a house, then the earthquake comes and it falls, and you have troubles. But if there is no house, then? Life is like gambling. What to do? One doesn't know anything. He's going to die tomorrow, or going to live for 100 years, nobody knows. So life is like gambling, no? He plays with his life. Play in such a way so that the dice don't remain. No dice, then no player.

Understanding should come. That's the main point. If you don't understand, then? So one who says that, "The world is not true", he's also false. And one who says that, " The world is true", he's also false. Both are wrong. Which is not, why to talk about it? Why to say anything about that? When you say, "Oh I know, the world is zero. I've renounced the world." What have you actually done? Nothing! So Siddharameshwar Maharaj told us, "Renounce the renouncing. Forget the renouncing. Renouncing is ego." Try to understand the master! Unless you understand the master, it's very difficult to go with Him. If the understanding comes, then everything is okay Without understanding, it's very difficult. Don't do anything.

Q: So Maharaj, you're saying that it doesn't exist, so therefore it can be neither true nor false. So be in it, and yet believe that it's neither true nor false. So eat, but understand you are not the eater.

RM: Yes. That's the main point. If you are not the eater, then who will be troubled? Body may get the trouble, what to do? Doing is worst. Know that, "I don't do anything." If you understand this, then you are free and by doing also you are free.

Q: Then all actions are equal?

RM: Equal. Nothing else. Doing and not doing, both are equal for Him.

Q: And doing this or that?

RM: It's not true! Both are wrong! So, Tukaram was asked, "Why do you do bad things to this woman?" He replied,"Oh, it's Brahman (God)". He used the word, "Vitthal (God)". But they asked, " But wasn't it you who has done this?" He again replied, "Vitthal." Then they said that this man is not liable for the prosecution. He says everything is Vitthal. But he [Tukaram] knew that the one who did wrong things to the woman is He himself, and the one who gives the evidence is also He himself. So both are wrong. So there's nothing else to say. Both don't exist. "I have not done and I have done also". Both are out of the question and when you are out of the question, then there is no examination and no result.

Q: Maharaj, can reflection replace meditation?

RM: It's better to go by the easiest way. Why go by the thorny way? You can meditate, even for twelve hours. You must get it, no harm. And then finally, you have to become your own master. Then meditation will submerge into Reality. So, why to go by the hard way? (Maharaj makes a gesture to touch his left ear by making his right hand wind around the back of his head, and then he brings his left hand to touch his left ear to show a more direct way). Meditation is just the beginning, in order to make the mind more subtle. When it becomes subtle, then nothing is required. Only thinking comes. If a man is lame, with one stick he can walk, but by using two sticks, he can walk even faster. So keep both and go ahead very fast!

Q: I want to ask if Maharaj has practised the mantra since he gives us one?

RM: (Laughs). Siddharameshwar Maharaj gave the mantra and I practised it, because it was his order. If master says one plus two is three, I have to believe it. In that way I was doing it and practise it still now. Before and now, but in different ways. Before understanding, you have to act according to the master's choice, and after understanding you have to act according to your choice. If one wants to become a doctor, he first studies and then he practises. After sometime, he becomes a master at it. So his practise is quite different then. Unless he kills a lot of patients he cannot be a good doctor. In the same way, experience brings many, many things. His grace is with you, He is with you. Master is with you, don't worry. One should have that much faith. So all this honour goes to him and not to me, take it for granted! What is there? What is practising? Understanding is practising, nothing else. Doctor says, "Take this dose of medicine", and if you practise, you will be okay the next day. If you don't take it, then what will happen? You put full faith in the doctor, no? Here also, full faith is required, nothing else.

Q: Instead of practising the mantra, can one contemplate the teachings? Is the benefit the same?

RM: You must meditate in the beginning. Then your caliber becomes very subtle, your caliber of understanding becomes very subtle. So, then you can practise nicely what the master says. He teaches you and you have to practise that. I agree. Having faith and practising meditation helps you very fast. Master says 12 plus 3 is 15. The boy has got a high caliber of understanding and shows different ways of arriving at 15. "19 minus 4 also can also equal 15", he says. In that way, you can think it over more and more. So, the mind should be subtle, therefore you have to meditate and keep your mind a little steady at that time, avoiding all these outside circumstances. Be in it only. And then your mind becomes automatically subtle. Before when one first said that one plus two is three, one had to cram up. No need for you to cram up, now. Your caliber of intelligence becomes subtle through understanding, one plus two is three, what is there? In the same way, when meditating you can understand what the master says in a very, very different way. There are many ways you can understand - there is 4 plus 5 is 9, and 8 plus 1 is also 9. In that way you can understand. What he says, and if you've got full faith in him, what wrong is there,? You can go very fast in it and you can meditate nicely also. Meditation is a step only, the first step, then you have to go ahead. You have not to only meditate your whole life. You can go ahead by thinking also, why not? So your mind should be sharpened, by meditation and you can understand by carrying on with the teachings. Thinking over it more and more, you will get more involved, you will penetrate into it, and that will be yours. In the beginning, both cramming and meditation is required, take it for granted.

Q: So, meditation is the repeating of the mantra?

RM: Exactly, one plus two is three, no? You have to cram up again and again. By chanting that in your mind, you can overcome the illusion, why not? By meditation also, one can achieve the Reality. Don't say that it's a very lengthy process. My master's master, Bhausaheb Maharaj, he was for meditation. Then Siddharameshwar Maharaj found out from his teaching that by thinking, one can also go. Life is very short, so at least find out the easiest way to go to It. By your own thinking you have become a 'man' or 'woman' or a 'human being' through ignorance. By understanding, by thinking you can correct that, why not? So in the scriptures, it is written that there are two ways - one is called the 'ant's' way and other is called 'bird's' way. An ant will take a very long time to go up a tree, perhaps even several births. Whereas a bird can fly from one tree to another very easily, in a fraction of a second. So by thinking one can go, it is very easy. But that which is very easy is also very hard. Here, a change of mind is required, nothing else. The mind should be changed, mind means thinking. Your father and mother have taught you to think through ignorance only. It is not your fault, you have just been given lessons like that. So the master says, "All this is wrong and what I say is correct" By thinking you have become a slave, and by thinking you can become the master. So my master was giving mantra and asking us to do meditation also and then he gave us lectures and sermons. So it was very easy for us. Don't try to escape the meditation! (laughs).

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WHO AM I? -

THE TEACHINGS OF BHAGAVAN SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI

"Who am I?" is the title given to a set of questions and answers bearing on  Self-enquiry. The questions were put to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi by one Sri  M. Sivaprakasam Pillai about the year 1902. Sri Pillai, a graduate in Philosophy, was  at the time employed in the Revenue Department of the South Arcot Collectorate.  During his visit to Tiruvannamalai in 1902 on official work, he went to Virupaksha Cave on Arunachala Hill and met the Master there. He sought from him spiritual guidance, and solicited answers to questions relating to Self-enquiry. As Bhagavan was not talking then, not because of any vow he had taken, but because he did not have the inclination to talk, he answered the questions put to him by gestures, and when these were not understood, by writing. The present rendering is of the text in the form of twenty-eight questions and  answers.

As all living beings desire to be happy always, without misery, as in the case of everyone there is observed supreme love for one's self, and as happiness alone is the cause for love, in order to gain that happiness which is one's nature and which is experienced in the state of deep sleep where there is no mind, one should know one's self. For that, the path of knowledge, the inquiry of the form "Who am I?", is the principal means.

1. Who am I?

The gross body which is composed of the seven humours (dhatus), I am not; the five cognitive sense organs, viz. the senses of hearing, touch, sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their respective objects, viz. sound, touch, colour, taste, and odour, I am not; the five cognitive sense-organs, viz. the organs of speech, locomotion, grasping, excretion, and procreation, which have as their respective functions speaking, moving, grasping, excreting, and enjoying, I am not; the five vital airs, prana, etc., which perform respectively the five functions of in-breathing, etc., I am not; even the mind which thinks, I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with the residual impressions of objects, and in which there are no objects and no functioning's, I am not.

2. If I am none of these, then who am I?

After negating all of the above-mentioned as 'not this', 'not this', that Awareness which alone remains - that I am.

3. What is the nature of Awareness?

The nature of Awareness is existence-consciousness-bliss

4. When will the realization of the Self be gained?

When the world which is what-is-seen has been removed, there will be realization of the Self which is the seer.

5. Will there not be realization of the Self even while the world is there (taken for real)?

There will not be.

6. Why?

The seer and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just as the knowledge of the rope which is the substrate will not arise unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the realization of the Self which is the substrate will not be gained unless the belief that the world is real is removed.

7. When will the world which is the object seen be removed?

When the mind, which is the cause of all cognition's and of all actions, becomes quiescent, the world will disappear.

8. What is the nature of the mind?

What is called 'mind' is a wondrous power residing in the Self. It causes all thoughts to arise. Apart from thoughts, there is no such thing as mind. Therefore, thought is the nature of mind. Apart from thoughts, there is no independent entity called the world. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the states of waking and dream, there are thoughts, and there is a world also. Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) out of itself and again withdraws it into itself, likewise the mind projects the world out of itself and again resolves it into itself. When the mind comes out of the Self, the world appears. Therefore, when the world appears (to be real), the Self does not appear; and when the Self appears (shines) the world does not appear. When one persistently inquires into the nature of the mind, the mind will end leaving the Self (as the residue). What is referred to as the Self is the Atman. The mind always exists only in dependence on something gross; it cannot stay alone. It is the mind that is called the subtle body or the soul (jiva).

9. What is the path of inquiry for understanding the nature of the mind?

That which rises as 'I' in this body is the mind. If one inquires as to where in the body the thought 'I' rises first, one would discover that it rises in the heart. That is the place of the mind's origin. Even if one thinks constantly 'I' 'I', one will be led to that place. Of all the thoughts that arise in the mind, the 'I' thought is the first. It is only after the rise of this that the other thoughts arise. It is after the appearance of the first personal pronoun that the second and third personal pronouns appear; without the first personal pronoun there will not be the second and third.

10. How will the mind become quiescent?

By the inquiry 'Who am I?'. The thought 'who am I?' will destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there will arise Self-realization.

11. What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought 'Who am I?'

When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but should inquire: 'To whom do they arise?' It does not matter how many thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence, "To whom has this thought arisen?". The answer that would emerge would be "To me". Thereupon if one inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense-organs, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is called "inwardness" (antar-mukha). Letting the mind go out of the Heart is known as "externalisation" (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the mind stays in the Heart, the 'I' which is the source of all thoughts will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity "I". If one acts in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God).

12. Are there no other means for making the mind quiescent?

Other than inquiry, there are no adequate means. If through other means it is sought to control the mind, the mind will appear to be controlled, but will again go forth. Through the control of breath also, the mind will become quiescent; but it will be quiescent only so long as the breath remains controlled, and when the breath resumes the mind also will again start moving and will wander as impelled by residual impressions. The source is the same for both mind and breath. Thought, indeed, is the nature of the mind. The thought "I" is the first thought of the mind; and that is egoity. It is from that whence egoity originates that breath also originates. Therefore, when the mind becomes quiescent, the breath is controlled, and when the breath is controlled the mind becomes quiescent. But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that it is dead. In the state of waking and in samadhi, when the mind becomes quiescent the breath is controlled. Breath is the gross form of mind. Till the time of death, the mind keeps breath in the body; and when the body dies the mind takes the breath along with it. Therefore, the exercise of breath-control is only an aid for rendering the mind quiescent (manonigraha); it will not destroy the mind (manonasa).

Like the practice of breath-control. meditation on the forms of God, repetition of mantras, restriction on food, etc., are but aids for rendering the mind quiescent.

Through meditation on the forms of God and through repetition of mantras, the mind becomes one-pointed. The mind will always be wandering. Just as when a chain is given to an elephant to hold in its trunk it will go along grasping the chain and nothing else, so also when the mind is occupied with a name or form it will grasp that alone. When the mind expands in the form of countless thoughts, each thought becomes weak; but as thoughts get resolved the mind becomes one-pointed and strong; for such a mind Self-inquiry will become easy. Of all the restrictive rules, that relating to the taking of sattvic food in moderate quantities is the best; by observing this rule, the sattvic quality of mind will increase, and that will be helpful to Self-inquiry.

13. The residual impressions (thoughts) of objects appear wending like the waves of an ocean. When will all of them get destroyed?

As the meditation on the Self rises higher and higher, the thoughts will get destroyed.

14. Is it possible for the residual impressions of objects that come from beginningless time, as it were, to be resolved, and for one to remain as the pure Self?

Without yielding to the doubt "Is it possible, or not?", one should persistently hold on to the meditation on the Self. Even if one be a great sinner, one should not worry and weep "O! I am a sinner, how can I be saved?"; one should completely renounce the thought "I am a sinner"; and concentrate keenly on meditation on the Self; then, one would surely succeed. There are not two minds - one good and the other evil; the mind is only one. It is the residual impressions that are of two kinds - auspicious and inauspicious. When the mind is under the influence of auspicious impressions it is called good; and when it is under the influence of inauspicious impressions it is regarded as evil.

The mind should not be allowed to wander towards worldly objects and what concerns other people. However bad other people may be, one should bear no hatred for them. Both desire and hatred should be eschewed. All that one gives to others one gives to one's self. If this truth is understood who will not give to others? When one's self arises all arises; when one's self becomes quiescent all becomes quiescent. To the extent we behave with humility, to that extent there will result good. If the mind is rendered quiescent, one may live anywhere.

15. How long should inquiry be practised?

As long as there are impressions of objects in the mind, so long the inquiry "Who am I?" is required. As thoughts arise they should be destroyed then and there in the very place of their origin, through inquiry. If one resorts to contemplation of the Self unintermittently, until the Self is gained, that alone would do. As long as there are enemies within the fortress, they will continue to sally forth; if they are destroyed as they emerge, the fortress will fall into our hands.

16. What is the nature of the Self?

What exists in truth is the Self alone. The world, the individual soul, and God are appearances in it. like silver in mother-of-pearl, these three appear at the same time, and disappear at the same time. The Self is that where there is absolutely no "I" thought. That is called "Silence". The Self itself is the world; the Self itself is "I"; the Self itself is God; all is Siva, the Self.

17. Is not everything the work of God?

Without desire, resolve, or effort, the sun rises; and in its mere presence, the sun-stone emits fire, the lotus blooms, water evaporates; people perform their various functions and then rest. Just as in the presence of the magnet the needle moves, it is by virtue of the mere presence of God that the souls governed by the three (cosmic) functions or the fivefold divine activity perform their actions and then rest, in accordance with their respective karmas. God has no resolve; no karma attaches itself to Him. That is like worldly actions not affecting the sun, or like the merits and demerits of the other four elements not affecting all pervading space.

18. Of the devotees, who is the greatest?

He who gives himself up to the Self that is God is the most excellent devotee. Giving one's self up to God means remaining constantly in the Self without giving room for the rise of any thoughts other than that of the Self. Whatever burdens are thrown on God, He bears them. Since the supreme power of God makes all things move, why should we, without submitting ourselves to it, constantly worry ourselves with thoughts as to what should be done and how, and what should not be done and how not? We know that the train carries all loads, so after getting on it why should we carry our small luggage on our head to our discomfort, instead of putting it down in the train and feeling at ease?

19. What is non-attachment?

As thoughts arise, destroying them utterly without any residue in the very place of their origin is non-attachment. Just as the pearl-diver ties a stone to his waist, sinks to the bottom of the sea and there takes the pearls, so each one of us should be endowed with non-attachment, dive within oneself and obtain the Self-Pearl.

20. Is it not possible for God and the Guru to effect the release of a soul?

God and the Guru will only show the way to release; they will not by themselves take the soul to the state of release. In truth, God and the Guru are not different. Just as the prey which has fallen into the jaws of a tiger has no escape, so those who have come within the ambit of the Guru's gracious look will be saved by the Guru and will not get lost; yet, each one should by his own effort pursue the path shown by God or Guru and gain release. One can know oneself only with one's own eye of knowledge, and not with somebody else's. Does he who is Rama require the help of a mirror to know that he is Rama?

21. Is it necessary for one who longs for release to inquire into the nature of categories (tattvas)?

Just as one who wants to throw away garbage has no need to analyse it and see what it is, so one who wants to know the Self has no need to count the number of categories or inquire into their characteristics; what he has to do is to reject altogether the categories that hide the Self. The world should be considered like a dream.

22. Is there no difference between waking and dream?

Waking is long and a dream short; other than this there is no difference. Just as waking happenings seem real while awake. so do those in a dream while dreaming. In dream the mind takes on another body. In both waking and dream states thoughts. names and forms occur simultaneously.

23. Is it any use reading books for those who long for release?

All the texts say that in order to gain release one should render the mind quiescent; therefore their conclusive teaching is that the mind should be rendered quiescent; once this has been understood there is no need for endless reading. In order to quieten the mind one has only to inquire within oneself what one's Self is; how could this search be done in books? One should know one's Self with one's own eye of wisdom. The Self is within the five sheaths; but books are outside them. Since the Self has to be inquired into by discarding the five sheaths, it is futile to search for it in books. There will come a time when one will have to forget all that one has learned.

24. What is happiness?

Happiness is the very nature of the Self; happiness and the Self are not different. There is no happiness in any object of the world. We imagine through our ignorance that we derive happiness from objects. When the mind goes out, it experiences misery. In truth, when its desires are fulfilled, it returns to its own place and enjoys the happiness that is the Self. Similarly, in the states of sleep, samadhi and fainting, and when the object desired is obtained or the object disliked is removed, the mind becomes inward-turned, and enjoys pure Self-Happiness. Thus the mind moves without rest alternately going out of the Self and returning to it. Under the tree the shade is pleasant; out in the open the heat is scorching. A person who has been going about in the sun feels cool when he reaches the shade. Someone who keeps on going from the shade into the sun and then back into the shade is a fool. A wise man stays permanently in the shade. Similarly, the mind of the one who knows the truth does not leave Brahman. The mind of the ignorant, on the contrary, revolves in the world, feeling miserable, and for a little time returns to Brahman to experience happiness. In fact, what is called the world is only thought. When the world disappears, i.e. when there is no thought, the mind experiences happiness; and when the world appears, it goes through misery.

25. What is wisdom-insight (jnana-drsti)?

Remaining quiet is what is called wisdom-insight. To remain quiet is to resolve the mind in the Self. Telepathy, knowing past, present and future happenings and clairvoyance do not constitute wisdom-insight.

26. What is the relation between desirelessness and wisdom?

Desirelessness is wisdom. The two are not different; they are the same. Desirelessness is refraining from turning the mind towards any object. Wisdom means the appearance of no object. In other words, not seeking what is other than the Self is detachment or desirelessness; not leaving the Self is wisdom.

27. What is the difference between inquiry and meditation?

Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the Self. Meditation consists in thinking that one's self is Brahman, existence-consciousness-bliss.

28. What is release?

Inquiring into the nature of one's self that is in bondage, and realising one's true nature is release.

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SELF ENQUIRY - (VICHARASANGRAHAM)

OF BHAGAVAN SRI RAMANA MAHARSHI

The present work in prose consists of forty questions with answers covering the entire range of spiritual disciplines required for the gaining of release (moksha). The questioner was Gambhiram Seshayya, one of the early devotees of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi. He was a Municipal Overseer at Tiruvannamalai about 1900. Besides being an ardent Ramabhakta (worshipper of Rama) he was interested in the study and practice of Yoga. He used to read Swami Vivekananda's lectures on the different yoga's as also an English translation of the Rama-gita. For resolving the difficulties which he came across while studying these books and in his spiritual practices, he approached Bhagavan Sri Ramana from time to time. Bhagavan, who was only twenty-one years old, was then living in Virupaksha cave on Arunachala Hill. As he was keeping silent at the time he wrote out his answers to Seshayya's questions on bits of paper. These writings over the period 1900-1902 were later copied in a note-book by Seshayya. The material thus gathered was published by Sri Ramanasramam under the little Vichara-sangraham which literally means 'A Compendium of Self-Enquiry.' A digest of the teaching contained in this work was later printed in English bearing the title 'Self-Enquiry'. In that English version, the questions were omitted and the substance of Bhagavan's teaching was given, classifying it in twelve short chapters with appropriate headings. The present English translation is of the entire original text Vichara-sangraham as it is in Tamil. The Vichara-sangraham has unique value in the sense that it constitutes the first set of instructions given by Bhagavan in his own handwriting.

INVOCATION:
Is there any way of adoring the Supreme which is all, except by abiding firmly as that!

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Disciple: Master! What is the means to gain the state of eternal bliss, ever devoid of misery?

Master: Apart from the statement in the Veda that wherever there is body there is misery, this is also the direct experience of all people; therefore, one should enquire into one's true nature which is ever bodiless, and one should remain as such. This is the means to gaining that state.

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Disciple: What is meant by saying that one should enquire into one's true nature and understand it?

Master: Experiences such as "I went; I came; I was; I did" come naturally to everyone. From these experiences, does it not appear that the consciousness "I" is the subject of those various acts? Enquiry into the true nature of that consciousness, and remaining as oneself is the way to understand, through enquiry, one's true nature.

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Disciple: How is one to enquire: "Who am I?"

Ramana Maharshi

Master: Actions such as 'going' and 'coming' belong only to the body. And so, when one says "I went, I came", it amounts to saying that the body is "I". But, can the body be said to be the consciousness "I", since the body was not before it was born, is made up of the five elements, is non-existent in the state of deep sleep, and becomes a corpse when dead? Can this body which is inert like a log of wood be said to shine as "I" "I"? Therefore, the "I" consciousness which at first arises in respect of the body is referred to variously as self-conceit (tarbodham), egoity (ahankara), nescience (avidya), maya, impurity (mala), and individual soul (jiva) .

Can we remain without enquiring into this? Is it not for our redemption through enquiry that all the scriptures declare that the destruction of "self-conceit" is release (mukti)? Therefore, making the corpse-body remain as a corpse, and not even uttering the word "I", one should enquire keenly thus: "Now, what is it that rises as 'I'". Then, there would shine in the Heart a kind of wordless illumination of the form 'I' 'I'. That is, there would shine of its own accord the pure consciousness which is unlimited and one, the limited and the many thoughts having disappeared. If one remains quiescent without abandoning that (experience), the egoity, the individual sense, of the form 'I am the body' will be totally destroyed, and at the end the final thought, viz. the 'I'-form also will be quenched like the fire that burns camphor (without leaving any sediment). The great sages and scriptures declare that this alone is release.

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Disciple: When one enquires into the root of 'self conceit' which is of the form 'I', all sorts of different thoughts without number seem to rise; and not any separate 'I' thought.

Master: Whether the nominative case, which is the first case, appears or not, the sentences in which the other cases appear have as their basis the first case; similarly, all the thoughts that appear in the heart have as their basis the egoity which is the first mental mode 'I', the cognition of the form 'I am the body'; thus, it is the rise of egoity that is the cause and source of the rise of all other thoughts; therefore, if the self-conceit of the form of egoity which is the root of the illusory tree of samsara (bondage consisting of transmigration) is destroyed, all other thoughts will perish completely like an uprooted tree. Whatever thoughts arise as obstacles to one's sadhana (spiritual discipline) - the mind should not be allowed to go in their direction, but should be made to rest in one's self which is the Atman; one should remain as witness to whatever happens, adopting the attitude 'Let whatever strange things happen, happen; let us see!' This should be one's practice. In other words, one should not identify oneself with appearances; one should never relinquish one's self.

This is the proper means for destruction of the mind (manonasa) which is of the nature of seeing the body as self, and which is the cause of all the aforesaid obstacles. This method which easily destroys egoity deserves to be called devotion (bhakti), meditation (dhyana), concentration (yoga), and knowledge (jnana). Because God remains of the nature of the Self, shining as 'I' in the heart, because the scriptures declare that thought itself is bondage, the best discipline is to stay quiescent without ever forgetting Him (God, the Self), after resolving in Him the mind which is of the form of the 'I'-thought, no matter by what means. This is the conclusive teaching of the Scriptures.

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Disciple: Is enquiry only the means for removal of the false belief of selfhood in the gross body, or is it also the means for removal of the false belief of selfhood in the subtle and causal bodies?

Master: It is on the gross body that the other bodies subsist. In the false belief of the form "I am the body" are included all the three bodies consisting of the five sheaths. And destruction of the false belief of selfhood in the gross body is itself the destruction of the false belief of selfhood in the other bodies. So inquiry is the means to removal of the false belief of selfhood in all the three bodies.

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Disciple: While there are different modifications of the internal organ, viz. manas (reflection), buddhi (intellect), chitta (memory) and ahankara (egoity), how can it be said that the destruction of the mind alone is release?

Master: In the books explaining the nature of the mind, it is thus stated: "The mind is formed by the concretion of the subtle portion of the food we eat; it grows with the passions such as attachment and aversion, desire and anger; being the aggregate of mind, intellect, memory and egoity, it receives the collective singular name 'mind', the characteristics that it bears are thinking, determining, etc.; since it is an object of consciousness (the self), it is what is seen, inert; even though inert, it appears as if conscious because of association with consciousness (like a red-hot iron ball); it is limited, non-eternal, partite, and changing like wax, gold, candle, etc.; it is of the nature of all elements (of phenomenal existence); its locus is the heart-lotus even as the loci of the sense of sight, etc., are the eyes, etc.; it is the adjunct of the individual soul thinking of an object, it transforms itself into a mode, and along with the knowledge that is in the brain, it flows through the five sense-channels, gets joined to objects by the brain (that is associated with knowledge), and thus knows and experiences objects and gains satisfaction. That substance is the mind". Even as one and the same person is called by different names according to the different functions he performs, so also one and the same mind is called by the different names: mind, intellect, memory, and egoity, on account of the difference in the modes - and not because of any real difference. The mind itself is of the form of all, i.e. of soul, God and world; when it becomes of the form of the Self through knowledge there is release, which is of the nature of Brahman: this is the teaching.

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Disciple: If these four - mind, intellect, memory and egoity - are one and the same why are separate locations mentioned for them?

Master: It is true that the throat is stated to be the location of the mind, the face or the heart of the intellect, the navel of the memory, and the heart or sarvanga of the egoity; though differently stated thus yet, for the aggregate of these, that is the mind or internal organ, the location is the heart alone. This is conclusively declared in the Scriptures.

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Disciple: Why is it said that only the mind which is the internal organ, shines as the form of all, that is of soul, God and world?

Master: As instruments for knowing the objects the sense organs are outside, and so they are called outer senses; and the mind is called the inner sense because it is inside. But the distinction between inner and outer is only with reference to the body; in truth, there is neither inner or outer. The mind's nature is to remain pure like ether. What is referred to as the heart or the mind is the collocation of the elements (of phenomenal existence) that appear as inner and outer. So there is no doubt that all phenomena consisting of names and forms are of the nature of mind alone. All that appear outside are in reality inside and not outside; it is in order to teach this that in the Vedas also all have been described as of the nature of the heart. What is called the heart is no other than Brahman.

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Disciple: How can it be said that the heart is no other than Brahman?

Master: Although the self enjoys its experiences in the states of waking, dream, and deep sleep, residing respectively in the eyes, throat and heart, in reality, however, it never leaves its principal seat, the heart. In the heart-lotus which is of the nature of all, in other words in the mind-ether, the light of that self in the form 'I' shines. As it shines thus in everybody, this very self is referred to as the witness (sakshi) and the transcendent (turiya literally the fourth). The 'I'-less supreme Brahman which shines in all bodies as interior to the light in the form 'I' is the Self-ether (or knowledge-ether): that alone is the absolute Reality. This is the super-transcendent (turiyatita). Therefore, it is stated that what is called the heart is no other than Brahman. Moreover, for the reason that Brahman shines in the hearts of all souls as the Self, the name 'Heart' is given to Brahman*. The meaning of the word hridayam, when split thus 'hrit-ayam', is in fact Brahman. The adequate evidence for the fact that Brahman, which shines as the self, resides in the hearts of all is that all people indicate themselves by pointing to the chest when saying 'I'.

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Disciple: If the entire universe is of the form of mind, then does it not follow that the universe is an illusion? If that be the case, why is the creation of the universe mentioned in the Veda?

Master: There is no doubt whatsoever that the universe is the merest illusion. The principal purport of the Veda is to make known the true Brahman, after showing the apparent universe to be false. It is for this purpose that the Vedas admit the creation of the world and not for any other reason. Moreover, for the less qualified persons creation is taught, that is the phased evolution of prakriti (primal nature), mahat-tattva (the great intellect), tanmatras (the subtle essences), bhutas (the gross elements), the world, the body, etc., from Brahman: while for the more qualified simultaneous creation is taught, that is, that this world arose like a dream on account of one's own thoughts induced by the defect of not knowing oneself as the Self. Thus, from the fact that the creation of the world has been described in different ways it is clear that the purport of the Vedas rests only in teaching the true nature of Brahman after showing somehow or other the illusory nature of the universe. That the world is illusory, every one can directly know in the state of realization which is in the form of experience of one's bliss-nature.

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Disciple: Is Self-experience possible for the mind, whose nature is constant change?

Master: Since sattva-guna (the constituent of prakriti which makes for purity, intelligence, etc.) is the nature of mind, and since the mind is pure and undefiled like ether, what is called mind is, in truth, of the nature of knowledge. When it stays in that natural (i.e. pure) state, it has not even the name 'mind'. It is only the erroneous knowledge which mistakes one for another that is called mind. What was (originally) the pure sattva mind, of the nature of pure knowledge, forgets its knowledge-nature on account of nescience, gets transformed into the world under the influence of tamo-guna (i.e. the constituent of prakriti which makes for dullness, inertness, etc.), being under the influence of rajo-guna (i.e. the constituent of prakriti which makes for activity, passions, etc.), imagines "I am the body, etc.; the world is real", it acquires the consequent merit and demerit through attachment, aversion, etc., and, through the residual impressions (vasanas) thereof, attains birth and death. But the mind, which has got rid of its defilement (sin) through action without attachment performed in many past lives, listens to the teaching of scripture from a true guru, reflects on its meaning, and meditates in order to gain the natural state of the mental mode of the form of the Self, i.e. of the form 'I am Brahman' which is the result of the continued contemplation of Brahman. Thus will be removed the mind's transformation into the world in the aspect of tamo-guna, and its roving therein in the aspect of rajo-guna. When this removal takes place the mind becomes subtle and unmoving. It is only by the mind that is impure and is under the influence of rajas and tamas that Reality (i.e. the Self) which is very subtle and unchanging cannot be experienced; just as a piece of fine silk cloth cannot be stitched with a heavy crowbar, or as the details of subtle objects cannot be distinguished by the light of a lamp flame that flickers in the wind. But in the pure mind that has been rendered subtle and unmoving by the meditation described above, the Self-bliss (i.e. Brahman) will become manifest. As without mind there cannot be experience, it is possible for the purified mind endowed with the extremely subtle mode (vritti) to experience the Self-bliss, by remaining in that form (i.e. in the form of Brahman). Then, that one's self is of the nature of Brahman will be clearly experienced.

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Disciple: Is the aforesaid Self-experience possible, even in the state of empirical existence, for the mind which has to perform functions in accordance with its prarabdha (the past karma which has begun to fructify)?

Master: A Brahmin may play various parts in a drama; yet the thought that he is a Brahmin does not leave his mind. Similarly, when one is engaged in various empirical acts there should be the firm conviction "I am the Self", without allowing the false idea "I am the body, etc." to rise. If the mind should stray away from its state, then immediately one should enquire, "Oh! Oh! We are not the body etc.! Who are we?" and thus one should reinstate the mind in that (pure) state. The enquiry "Who am I?" is the principal means to the removal of all misery and the attainment of the supreme bliss. When in this manner the mind becomes quiescent in its own state, Self-experience arises of its own accord, without any hindrance. Thereafter sensory pleasures and pains will not affect the mind. All (phenomena) will appear then, without attachment, like a dream. Never forgetting one's plenary Self-experience is real bhakti (devotion), yoga (mind-control), jnana (knowledge) and all other austerities. Thus say the sages.

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Disciple: When there is activity in regard to works, we are neither the agents of those works nor their enjoyers. The activity is of the three instruments (i.e., the mind, speech, and body). Could we remain (unattached) thinking thus?

Master: After the mind has been made to stay in the Self which is its Deity, and has been rendered indifferent to empirical matters because it does not stray away from the Self, how can the mind think as mentioned above? Do not such thoughts constitute bondage? When such thoughts arise due to residual impressions (vasanas), one should restrain the mind from flowing that way, endeavour to retain it in the Self-state, and make it turn indifferent to empirical matters. One should not give room in the mind for such thoughts as: "Is this good? Or, is that good? Can this be done? Or, can that be done?" One should be vigilant even before such thoughts arise and make the mind stay in its native state. If any little room is given, such a (disturbed) mind will do harm to us while posing as our friend; like the foe appearing to be a friend, it will topple us down. Is it not because one forgets one's Self that such thoughts arise and cause more and more evil? While it is true that to think through discrimination, "I do not do anything; all actions are performed by the instruments", is a means to prevent the mind from flowing along thought vasanas, does it not also follow that only if the mind flows along thought vasanas that it must be restrained through discrimination as stated before? Can the mind that remains in the Self-state think as 'I' and as 'I behave empirically thus and thus'? In all manner of ways possible one should endeavour gradually not to forget one's (true) Self that is God. If that is accomplished, all will be accomplished. The mind should not be directed to any other matter. Even though one may perform, like a mad person, the actions that are the result of prarabdha-karma, one should retain the mind in the Self-state without letting the thought 'I do' arise. Have not countless bhaktas (devotees) performed their numerous empirical functions with an attitude of indifference?

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Disciple: What is the real purpose of sannyasa (renunciation)?

Master: Sannyasa is only the renunciation of the 'I' thought, and not the rejection of the external objects. He who has renounced (the "I" thought) thus remains the same whether he is alone or in the midst of the extensive samsara (empirical world). Just as when the mind is concentrated on some object, it does not observe other things even though they may be proximate, so also, although the sage may perform any number of empirical acts, in reality he performs nothing, because he makes the mind rest in the Self without letting the 'I' thought arise. Even as in a dream one appears to fall head downwards, while in reality one is unmoving, so also the ignorant person, i.e., the person for whom the 'I' thought has not ceased, although he remains alone in constant meditation, is in fact one who performs all empirical actions. Thus the wise ones have said.

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Disciple: The mind, sense-organs, etc., have the ability to perceive; yet why are they regarded as perceived objects?

Master:    Drik - (Knower)                                      Drisya - (Known object)
                      1. The seer                                            Pot (i.e. the seen object)
                                                              Further
                2. The eye organ                                     Body, Pot, etc.
                     3. The sense of sight                             The eye organ
                     4. The mind                                               The sense of sight
                     5. The individual soul                             The mind
                     6. Consciousness (the Self)                  The individual soul

As shown in the above scheme, since we, the consciousness, know all objects, we are said to be drik (knower). The categories ending with pot are the objects seen, since they are what are known. In the table of 'knowledge: ignorance (i.e. knower-known)' given above, among the knowers and objects of knowledge, it is seen that one is knower in relation to another; yet, since that one is object in relation to another, none of those categories is, in reality, the knower. Although we are said to be the 'knower' because we know all, and not the 'known' because we are not known by anything else, we are said to be the 'knower' only in relation to the known objects. In truth, however, what is called the 'known' is not apart from us. And so we are the Reality that transcends those two (the knower and the known). All the others fall within the knower-known categories.

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Disciple: How do egoity, soul, self, and Brahman come to be identified?

Master:        The Example                             The Exemplified

                      1. The iron-ball                                       Egoity
                                                         
                2. The heated iron-ball                         The soul which appears as a superimposition on the Self

                     3. The fire that is in                            The light of consciousness, i.e. the immutable
                          the heated iron-ball                           Brahman, which shines in the soul in everybody

                     4. The flame of fire which                    The all pervading Brahman which remains as one
                          remains as one               

From the examples given above, it will be clear how egoity, soul, witness, and All-witness come to be identified.

Just as in the wax-lump that is with the smith numerous and varied metal-particles lie included and all of them appear to be one wax-lump, so also in deep sleep the gross and subtle bodies of all the individual souls are included in the cosmic maya which is nescience, of the nature of sheer darkness, and since the souls are resolved in the Self becoming one with it, they see everywhere darkness alone. From the darkness of sleep, the subtle body, viz. egoity, and from that (egoity) the gross body arise respectively. Even as the egoity arises, it appears superimposed on the nature of the Self, like the heated iron-ball. Thus, without the soul (jiva) which is the mind or egoity that is conjoined with the Consciousness-light, there is no witness of the soul, viz. the Self, and without the Self there is no Brahman that is the All-witness. Just as when the iron ball is beaten into various shapes by the smith, the fire that is in it does not change thereby in any manner, even so the soul may be involved in ever so many experiences and undergo pleasures and pains, and yet the Self-light that is in it does not change in the least thereby, and like the ether it is the all-pervasive pure knowledge that is one, and it shines in the heart as Brahman.

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Disciple: How is one to know that in the heart the Self itself shines as Brahman?

Master: Just as the elemental ether within the flame of a lamp is known to fill without any difference and without any limit both the inside and the outside of the flame, so also the knowledge-ether that is within the Self-light in the heart, fills without any difference and without any limit both the inside and the outside of that Self-light. This is what is referred to as Brahman.

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Disciple: How do the three states of experience, the three bodies, etc., which are imaginations, appear in the Self-light which is one, impartite and self-luminous? Even if they should appear, how is one to know that the Self alone remains ever unmoving?

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Master:  The Example               The Exemplified

                 1. The Lamp                         The Self
                 2. The door                          Sleep
                 3. The door-step                 Mahat-tattva
                 4. The inner wall                 Nescience or the causal body
                 5. The mirror                 The egoity
                 6. The windows               The five cognitive sense-organs
                 7. The inner chamber          Deep sleep in which the causal body is manifest
                 8. The middle chamber        Dream in which the subtle body is manifest
                 9. The outer court              Waking state in which the gross
               
                                  body is manifest

The Self which is the lamp (1) shines of its own accord in the inner chamber, i.e., the causal body (7) that is endowed with nescience as the inner wall (4) and sleep as the door (2); when by the vital principle as conditioned by time, karma, etc., the sleep-door is opened, there occurs a reflection of the Self in the egoity-mirror (5) that is placed next to the door-step - Mahat-tattva; the egoity-mirror thus illumines the middle chamber, i.e., the dream state (8), and, through the windows which are the five cognitive sense-organs (6), the outer court, i.e., the waking state. When, again, by the vital principle as conditioned by time, karma, etc., the sleep-door gets shut, the egoity ceases along with waking and dream, and the Self alone ever shines. The example just given explains how the Self is unmoving, how there is difference between the Self and the egoity and how the three states of experience, the three bodies, etc., appear.

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Disciple: Although I have listened to the explanation of the characteristics of enquiry in such great detail, my mind has not gained even a little peace. What is the reason for this?

Master: The reason is the absence of strength or one-pointedness of the mind.

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Disciple: What is the reason for the absence of mental strength?

Master: The means that make one qualified for enquiry are meditation, yoga, etc. One should gain proficiency in these through graded practice, and thus secure a stream of mental modes that is natural and helpful. When the mind that has in this manner become ripe, listens to the present enquiry, it will at once realize its true nature which is the Self, and remain in perfect peace, without deviating from that state. To a mind which has not become ripe, immediate realization and peace are hard to gain through listening to enquiry. Yet, if one practices the means for mind-control for some time, peace of mind can be obtained eventually.

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Disciple: Of the means for mind-control, which is the most important?

Master: Breath-control is the means for mind-control.

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Disciple: How is breath to be controlled?

Master: Breath can be controlled either by absolute retention of breath (kevala-kumbhaka) or by regulation of breath (pranayama).

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Disciple: What is absolute retention of breath?

Master: It is making the vital air stay firmly in the heart even without exhalation and inhalation. This is achieved through meditation on the vital principle, etc.

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Disciple: What is regulation of breath?

Master: It is making the vital air stay firmly in the heart through exhalation, inhalation, and retention, according to the instructions given in the yoga texts.

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Disciple: How is breath-control the means for mind-control?

Master: There is no doubt that breath-control is the means for mind-control, because the mind, like breath, is a part of air, because the nature of mobility is common to both, because the place of origin is the same for both, and because when one of them is controlled the other gets controlled.

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Disciple: Since breath-control leads only to quiescence of the mind (manolaya) and not to its destruction (manonasa), how can it be said that breath-control is the means for enquiry which aims at the destruction of mind?

Master: The scriptures teach the means for gaining Self-realization in two modes - as the yoga with eight limbs (ashtanga-yoga) and as knowledge with eight limbs (ashtanga-jnana). By regulation of breath (pranayama) or by absolute retention thereof (kevala-kumbhaka), which is one of the limbs of yoga, the mind gets controlled. Without leaving the mind at that, if one practises the further discipline such as withdrawal of the mind from external objects (pratyahara), then at the end, Self-realization which is the fruit of enquiry will surely be gained.

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Disciple: What are the limbs of yoga?

Master: Yama, niyama, asana, ,pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, and samadhi. Of these --

(1) Yama -- this stands, for the cultivation of such principles of good conduct as non-violence (ahimsa), truth (satya), non-stealing (asteya), celibacy (brahmacharya), and non-possession (apari-graha).

(2) Niyama -- this stands for the observance of such rules of good conduct as purity (saucha), contentment (santosha), austerity (tapas), study of the sacred texts (svadhyaya), and devotion to God (Isvara-pranidhana).

(3) Asana -- Of the different postures, eighty-four are the main ones. Of these, again, four, viz., simha, bhadra, padma, and siddha are said to be excellent. Of these too, it is only siddha, that is the most excellent. Thus the yoga-texts declare.

(4) Pranayama -- According to the measures prescribed in the sacred texts, exhaling the vital air is rechaka, inhaling is puraka and retaining it in the heart is kumbhaka. As regards 'measure', some texts say that rechaka and puraka should be equal in measure, and kumbhaka twice that measure, while other texts say that if rechaka is one measure, puraka should be of two measures, and kumbhaka of four. By 'measure' what is meant is the time that would be taken for the utterance of the Gayatrimantra once. Thus pranayama consisting of rechaka, puraka, and kumbhaka, should be practised daily according to ability, slowly and gradually. Then, there would arise for the mind a desire to rest in happiness without moving. After this, one should practise pratyahara.

(5) Pratyahara -- This is regulating the mind by preventing it from flowing towards the external names and forms. The mind, which had been till then distracted, now becomes controlled. The aids in this respect are (1) meditation on the pranava, (2) fixing the attention betwixt the eyebrows, (3) looking at the tip of the nose, and (4) reflection on the nada. The mind that has thus become one-pointed will be fit to stay in one place. After this, dharana should be practised.

(6) Dharana --This is fixing the mind in a locus which is fit for meditation. The loci that are eminently fit for meditation are the heart and Brahma-randhra (aperture in the crown of the head). One should think that in the middle of the eight-petalled lotus that is at this place there shines, like a flame, the Deity which is the Self, i.e. Brahman, and fix the mind therein. After this, one should meditate.

(7) Dhyana --This is meditation, through the 'I am He' thought, that one is not different from the nature of the aforesaid flame. Even, thus, if one makes the enquiry 'Who am I?', then, as the Scripture declares, "The Brahman which is everywhere shines in the heart as the Self that is the witness of the intellect", one would realize that is the Divine Self that shines in the heart as 'I-I'. This mode of reflection is the best meditation.

(8) Samadhi -- As a result of the fruition of the aforesaid meditation, the mind gets resolved in the object of meditation without harbouring the ideas 'I am such and such; I am doing this and this'. This subtle state in which even the thought 'I-I' disappears is samadhi. If one practises this every day, seeing to it that sleep does not supervene, God will soon confer on one the supreme state of quiescence of mind.

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Disciple: What is the purport of the teaching that in pratyahara one should meditate on the pranava?

Master: The purport of prescribing meditation on the pranava is this. The pranava is Omkara consisting of three and a half matras, viz., a, u, m, and ardha-matra. of these, a stands for the waking state, Visva-jiva, and the gross body; u stands for the dream-state Taijasa-jiva, and the subtle body; m stands for the sleep-state, Prajnajiva and the causal body; the ardha-matra represents the Turiya which is the self or 'I'-nature; and what is beyond that is the state of Turiyatita, or pure Bliss. The fourth state which is the state of 'I'-nature was referred to in the section on meditation (dhyana): this has been variously described - as of the nature of amatra which includes the three matras, a, u, and m; as maunakshara (silence syllable); as ajapa (as muttering without muttering) and as the Advaita-mantra which is the essence of all mantras such as panchakshara. In order to get at this true significance, one should meditate on the pranava. This is meditation which is of the nature of devotion consisting in reflection on the truth of the Self. The fruition of this process is samadhi which yields release which is the state of unsurpassed bliss. The revered Gurus also have said that release is to be gained only by devotion which is of the nature of reflection on the truth of the Self.

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Disciple: What is the purport of the teaching that one should meditate, through the 'I am He' thought, on the truth that one is not different from the self-luminous Reality that shines like a flame?

Master: (A) The purport of teaching that one should cultivate the idea that one is not different from the self-luminous Reality is this: Scripture defines meditation in these words, "In the middle of the eight-petalled heart-lotus which is of the nature of all, and which is referred to as Kailasa, Vaikundha, and Parama-pada, there is the Reality which is of the size of the thumb, which is dazzling like lightning and which shines like a flame. By meditating on it, a person gains immortality". From this we should know that by such meditation one avoids the defects of (1) the thought of difference, of the form 'I am different, and that is different', (2) the meditation on what is limited, (3) the idea that the real is limited, and (4) that it is confined to one place.

(B) The purport of teaching that one should meditate with the 'I am He' thought is this: sahaham: soham; sah the supreme Self, aham the Self that is manifest as 'I'. The jiva which is the Shiva-linga resides in the heart-lotus which is its seat situated in the body which is the city of Brahman; the mind which is of the nature of egoity, goes outward identifying itself with the body, etc. Now the mind should be resolved in the heart, i.e. the I-sense that is placed in the body, etc., should be got rid of; when thus one enquires 'Who am I?', remaining undisturbed, in that state the Self-nature becomes manifest in a subtle manner as 'I-I'; that self-nature is all and yet none, and is manifest as the supreme Self everywhere without the distinction of inner and outer; that shines like a flame, as was stated above, signifying the truth 'I am Brahman'. If, without meditating on that as being identical with oneself, one imagines it to be different, ignorance will not leave. Hence, the identity-meditation is prescribed.

If one meditates for a long time, without disturbance, on the Self ceaselessly, with the 'I am He' thought which is the technique of reflection on the Self, the darkness of ignorance which is in the heart and all the impediments which are but the effects of ignorance will he removed, and the plenary wisdom will be gained.

Thus, realizing the Reality in the heart-cave which is in the city (of Brahman), viz. the body, is the same as realizing the all-perfect God.

In the city with nine gates, which is the body, the wise one resides at ease.

The body is the temple; the jiva is God (Shiva). If one worships him with the 'I am He' thought, one will gain release.

The body which consists of the five sheaths is the cave, the supreme that resides there is the lord of the cave. Thus the scriptures declare.

Since the Self is the reality of all the gods, the meditation on the Self which is oneself is the greatest of all meditations. All other meditations are included in this. It is for gaining this that the other meditations are prescribed. So, if this is gained, the others are not necessary. Knowing one's Self is knowing God. Without knowing one's Self that meditates, imagining that there is a deity which is different and meditating on it, is compared by the great ones to the act of measuring with one's foot one's own shadow, and to the search for a trivial conch after throwing away a priceless gem that is already in one's possession.

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Disciple: Even though the heart and the Brahmarandhra alone are the loci fit for meditation, could one meditate, if necessary, on the six mystic centres (adharas)?

Master: The six mystic centres, etc., which are said to be loci of meditation, are but products of imagination. All these are meant for beginners in yoga. With reference to meditation on the six centres, the Shiva-yogins say, "God, who is of the nature of the non-dual, plenary, consciousness-self, manifests, sustains and resolves us all. It is a great sin to spoil that Reality by superimposing on it various names and forms such as Ganapati, Brahma, Vishnu, Rudra, Mahesvara, and Sadashiva", and the Vedantins declare, "All those are but imaginations of the mind". Therefore, if one knows one's Self which is of the nature of consciousness that knows everything, one knows everything. The great ones have also said: "When that One is known as it is in Itself, all that has not been known becomes known". If we who are endowed with various thoughts meditate on God that is the Self we would get rid of the plurality of thoughts by that one thought; and then even that one thought would vanish. This is what is meant by saying that knowing one's Self is knowing God. This knowledge is release.

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Disciple: How is one to think of the Self?

Master: The Self is self-luminous without darkness and light, and is the reality which is self-manifest. Therefore, one should not think of it as this or as that. The very thought of thinking will end in bondage. The purport of meditation on the Self is to make the mind take the form of the Self. In the middle of the heart-cave the pure Brahman is directly manifest as the Self in the form 'I-I'. Can there be greater ignorance than to think of it in manifold ways, without knowing it as aforementioned?

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Disciple: It was stated that Brahman is manifest as the Self in the form 'I-I', in the heart. To facilitate an understanding of this statement, can it be still further explained?

Master: Is it not within the experience of all that during deep sleep, swoon, etc., there is no knowledge whatsoever, i.e. neither self-knowledge nor other-knowledge? Afterwards, when there is experience of the form "I have woken up from sleep" or "I have recovered from swoon" - is that not a mode of specific knowledge that has arisen from the aforementioned distinctionless state? This specific knowledge is called vijnana. This vijnana becomes manifest only as pertaining to either the Self or the not-self, and not by itself. When it pertains to the Self, it is called true knowledge, knowledge in the form of that mental mode whose object is the Self, or knowledge which has for its content the impartite (Self); and when it relates to the not-self, it is called ignorance. The state of this vijnana, when it pertains to the Self and is manifest as of the form of the Self, is said to be the 'I'-manifestation. This manifestation cannot take place as apart from the Real (i.e. the Self). It is this manifestation that serves as the mark for the direct experience of the Real. Yet, this by itself cannot constitute the state of being the Real. That, depending on which this manifestation takes place is the basic reality which is also called prajnana. The Vedantic text "prajnanam brahma" teaches the same truth.

Know this as the purport of the scripture also. The Self which is self-luminous and the witness of everything manifests itself as residing in the vijnanakosa (sheath of the intellect). By the mental mode which is impartite, seize this Self as your goal and enjoy it as the Self.

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Disciple: What is that which is called the inner worship or worship of the attributeless?

Master: In texts such as the Ribhu-gita, the worship of the attributeless has been elaborately explained (as a separate discipline). Yet, all disciplines such as sacrifice, charity, austerity, observance of vows, japa, yoga, and puja, are, in effect, modes of meditation of the form 'I am Brahman'. So, in all the modes of disciplines, one should see to it that one does not stray away from the thought 'I am Brahman'. This is the purport of the worship of the attributeless.

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Disciple: What are the eight limbs of knowledge (jnana-ashtanga)?

Master: The eight limbs are those which have been already mentioned, viz., yama, niyama , etc. but differently defined. Of these -

(1) Yama -- This is controlling the aggregate of sense-organs, realizing the defects that are present in the world consisting of the body, etc.

(2) Niyama -- This is maintaining a stream of mental modes that relate to the Self and rejecting the contrary modes. In other words, it means love that arises uninterruptedly for the supreme Self.

(3) Asana -- That with the help of which constant meditation on Brahman is made possible with ease is asana.

(4) Pranayama -- Rechaka (exhalation) is removing the two unreal aspects of name and form from the objects constituting the world, the body etc., puraka (inhalation) is grasping the three real aspects, existence, consciousness and bliss, which are constant in those objects, and kumbhaka is retaining those aspects thus grasped.

(5) Pratyahara -- This is preventing name and form which have been removed from re-entering the mind.

(6) Dharana -- This is making the mind stay in the heart, without straying outward, and realizing that one is the Self itself which is existence-consciousness-bliss.

(7) Dhyana -- This is meditation of the form 'I am only pure consciousness'. That is, after leaving aside the body which consists of five sheaths, one enquires 'Who am I'?, and as a result of that, one stays as 'I' which shines as the Self.

(8) Samadhi -- When the 'I'-manifestation also ceases, there is (subtle) direct experience. This is samadhi.

For the pranayama, etc., detailed here, the disciplines such as asana, etc., mentioned in connection with yoga, are not necessary. The limbs of knowledge may be practised at all places and at all times. Of yoga and knowledge, one may follow whichever is pleasing to one, or both, according to circumstances. The great teachers say that forgetfulness is the root of all evil, and is death for those who seek release; so one should rest the mind in one's Self and should never forget the Self : this is the aim. If the mind is controlled, all else can be controlled. The distinction between yoga with eight limbs and knowledge with eight limbs has been set forth elaborately in the sacred texts; so only the substance of this teaching has been given here.

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Disciple: Is it possible to practise at the same time the pranayama belonging to yoga and the pranayama pertaining to knowledge?

Master: So long as the mind has not been made to rest in the heart, either through absolute retention (kevala-kumbhaka) or through enquiry, rechaka, puraka, etc., are needed. Hence, the pranayama of yoga is to be practised during training, and the other pranayama may be practised always. Thus, both may be practised. It is enough if the yogic pranayama is practised till skill is gained in absolute retention.

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Disciple: Why should the path to release be differently taught? Will it not create confusion in the minds of aspirants?

Master: Several paths are taught in the Vedas to suit the different grades of qualified aspirants. Yet, since release is but the destruction of mind, all efforts have for their aim the control of mind. Although the modes of meditation may appear to be different from one another, in the end all of them become one. There is no need to doubt this. One may adopt that path which suits the maturity of one's mind.

The control of prana which is yoga, and the control of mind which is jnana* - these are the two principal means for the destruction of mind. To some, the former may appear easy, and to others the latter. Yet, jnana is like subduing a turbulent bull by coaxing it with green grass, while yoga is like controlling through the use of force. Thus the wise ones say: of the three grades of qualified aspirants, the highest reach the goal by making the mind firm in the Self through determining the nature of the real by Vedantic enquiry and by looking upon one's self and all things as of the nature of the real; the mediocre by making the mind stay in the heart through kevala-kumbhaka and meditating for a long time on the real, and the lowest grade, by gaining that state in a gradual manner through breath-control, etc.

The mind should be made to rest in the heart till the destruction of the 'I'-thought which is of the form of ignorance, residing in the heart. This itself is jnana; this alone is dhyana also. The rest are a mere digression of words, digression of the texts. Thus the scriptures proclaim. Therefore, if one gains the skill of retaining the mind in one's Self through some means or other, one need not worry about other matters.

The great teachers also have taught that the devotee is greater than the yogins** and that the means to release is devotion, which is of the nature of reflection on one's own Self.

Thus, it is the path of realizing Brahman that is variously called Dahara-vidya, Brahma-vidya, Atma-vidya, etc. What more can be said than this? One should understand the rest by inference.

The Scriptures teach in different modes. After analysing all those modes the great ones declare this to be the shortest and the best means.

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Disciple: By practising the disciplines taught above, one may get rid of the obstacles that are in the mind, viz. ignorance, doubt, error, etc., and thereby attain quiescence of mind. Yet, there is one last doubt. After the mind has been resolved in the heart, there is only consciousness shining as the plenary reality. When thus the mind has assumed the form of the Self, who is there to enquire? Such enquiry would result in self-worship. It would be like the story of the shepherd searching for the sheep that was all the time on his shoulders!

Master: The jiva itself is Shiva; Shiva Himself is the jiva. It is true that the jiva is no other than Shiva. When the grain is hidden inside the husk, it is called paddy; when it is de-husked, it is called rice. Similarly, so long as one is bound by karma one remains a jiva; when the bond of ignorance is broken, one shines as Shiva, the Deity. Thus declares a scriptural text. Accordingly, the jiva which is mind is in reality the pure Self; but, forgetting this truth, it imagines itself to be an individual soul and gets bound in the shape of mind. So its search for the Self, which is itself, is like the search for the sheep by the shepherd. But still, the jiva which has forgotten its self will not become the Self through mere mediate knowledge. By the impediment caused by the residual impressions gathered in previous births, the jiva forgets again and again its identity with the Self, and gets deceived, identifying itself with the body, etc. Will a person become a high officer by merely looking at him? Is it not by steady effort in that direction that he could become a highly placed officer? Similarly, the jiva, which is in bondage through mental identification with the body, etc., should put forth effort in the form of reflection on the Self, in a gradual and sustained manner; and when thus the mind gets destroyed, the jiva would become the Self.

The reflection on the Self which is thus practised constantly will destroy the mind, and thereafter will destroy itself like the stick that is used to kindle the cinders burning a corpse. It is this state that is called release.

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Disciple: If the jiva is by nature identical with the Self, what is it that prevents the jiva from realizing its true nature?

Master: It is forgetfulness of the jiva's true nature; this is known as the power of veiling.

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Disciple: If it is true that the jiva has forgotten itself, how does the 'I'-experience arise for all?

Master: The veil does not completely hide the jiva; it only hides the Self-nature of 'I' and projects the 'I am the body' notion; but it does not hide the Self's existence which is 'I', and which is real and eternal.

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Disciple: What are the characteristics of the jivan-mukta (the liberated in life) and the videha-mukta (the liberated at death)?

Master: 'I am not the body; I am Brahman which is manifest as the Self. In me who am the plenary Reality*, the world consisting of bodies etc., are mere appearance, like the blue of the sky'. He who has realized the truth thus is a jivan-mukta. Yet so long as his mind has not been resolved, there may arise some misery for him because of relation to objects on account of prarabdha (karma which has begun to fructify and whose result is the present body), and as the movement of mind has not ceased there will not be also the experience of bliss. The experience of Self is possible only for the mind that has become subtle and unmoving as a result of prolonged meditation. He who is thus endowed with a mind that has become subtle, and who has the experience of the Self is called a jivan-mukta. It is the state of jivan-mukti that is referred to as the attributeless Brahman and as the Turiya. When even the subtle mind gets resolved, and experience of self ceases, and when one is immersed in the ocean of bliss and has become one with it without any differentiated existence, one is called a videha-mukta. It is the state of videha-mukti that is referred to as the transcendent attributeless Brahman and as the transcendent Turiya. This is the final goal. Because of the grades in misery and happiness, the released ones, the jivan-muktas and videha-muktas, may be spoken of as belonging to four categories - Brahmavid, - vara--variyan, and varishtha. But these distinctions are from the standpoint of the others who look at them; in reality, however, there are no distinctions in release gained through jnana.

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Who Am I?

Introduction

Who Am I? is the title given to a set of questions and answers bearing on Self-enquiry. The questions were put to Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi by one Sri M. Sivaprakasam Pillai about the year 1902. Sri Pillai, a graduate in Philosophy, was at the time employed in the Revenue Department of the South Arcot Collectorate. During his visit to Tiruvannamalai in 1902 on official work, he went to Virupaksha Cave on Arunachala Hill and met the Master there. He sought from him spiritual guidance, and solicited answers to questions relating to Self-enquiry.
As Bhagavan was not talking then, not because of any vow he had taken, but because he did not have the inclination to talk, he answered the questions put to him by gestures, and when these were not understood, by writing.
As recollected and recorded by Sri Sivaprakasam Pillai, there were fourteen questions with answers to them given by Bhagavan. This record was first published by Sri Pillai in 1923, along with a couple of poems composed by himself relating how Bhagavan′s grace operated in his case by dispelling his doubts and by saving him from a crisis in life.
′Who am I?′ has been published several times subsequently. We find thirty questions and answers in some editions and twenty-eight in others. There is also another published version in which the questions are not given, and the teachings are rearranged in the form of an essay. The extant English translation is of this essay. The present rendering is of the text in the form of twenty-eight questions and answers.

Along with Vicharasangraham (Self-Enquiry), Nan Yar (Who am I?) constitutes the first set of instructions in the Master′s own words. These two are the only prose-pieces among Bhagavan′s Works. They clearly set forth the central teaching that the direct path to liberation is Self-enquiry.
The particular mode in which the enquiry is to be made is lucidly set forth in Nan Yar. The mind consists of thoughts. The ′I′ thought is the first to arise in the mind. When the enquiry ′ Who am I?′ is persistently pursued, all other thoughts get destroyed, and finally the ′I′ thought itself vanishes leaving the supreme non-dual Self alone. The false identification of the Self with the phenomena of non-self such as the body and mind thus ends, and there is illumination, Sakshatkara.
The process of enquiry of course, is not an easy one. As one enquires ′Who am I?′, other thoughts will arise; but as these arise, one should not yield to them by following them , on the contrary, one should ask ′To whom do they arise ?′ In order to do this, one has to be extremely vigilant. Through constant enquiry one should make the mind stay in its source, without allowing it to wander away and get lost in the mazes of thought created by itself.
All other disciplines such as breath-control and meditation on the forms of God should be regarded as auxiliary practices. They are useful in so far as they help the mind to become quiescent and one-pointed.

For the mind that has gained skill in concentration, Self-enquiry becomes comparatively easy. It is by ceaseless enquiry that the thoughts are destroyed and the Self realized - the plenary Reality in which there is not even the ′I′ thought, the experience which is referred to as "Silence".
This, in substance, is Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi′s teaching in Nan Yar (Who am I?).

Who Am I?

As all living beings desire to be happy always, without misery, as in the case of everyone there is observed supreme love for one′s self, and as happiness alone is the cause for love, in order to gain that happiness which is one′s nature and which is experienced in the state of deep sleep where there is no mind, one should know one′s self. For that, the path of knowledge, the inquiry of the form "Who am I?", is the principal means.

1. Who am I?

The gross body which is composed of the seven humours (dhatus), I am not; the five cognitive sense organs, viz. the senses of hearing, touch, sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their respective objects, viz. sound, touch, colour, taste, and odour, I am not; the five cognitive sense-organs, viz. the organs of speech, locomotion, grasping, excretion, and procreation, which have as their respective functions speaking, moving, grasping, excreting, and enjoying, I am not; the five vital airs, prana, etc., which perform respectively the five functions of in-breathing, etc., I am not; even the mind which thinks, I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with the residual impressions of objects, and in which there are no objects and no functioning′s, I am not.

2. If I am none of these, then who am I?

After negating all of the above-mentioned as ′not this′, ′not this′, that Awareness which alone remains - that I am.

3. What is the nature of Awareness?

The nature of Awareness is existence-consciousness-bliss

4. When will the realization of the Self be gained?

When the world which is what-is-seen has been removed, there will be realization of the Self which is the seer.

5. Will there not be realization of the Self even while the world is there (taken as real)?

There will not be.

6. Why?

The seen and the object seen are like the rope and the snake. Just as the knowledge of the rope which is the substrate will not arise unless the false knowledge of the illusory serpent goes, so the realization of the Self which is the substrate will not be gained unless the belief that the world is real is removed.

7. When will the world which is the object seen be removed?

When the mind, which is the cause of all cognition′s and of all actions, becomes quiescent, the world will disappear.

8. What is the nature of the mind?

What is called ′mind′ is a wondrous power residing in the Self. It causes all thoughts to arise. Apart from thoughts, there is no such thing as mind. Therefore, thought is the nature of mind. Apart from thoughts, there is no independent entity called the world. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the states of waking and dream, there are thoughts, and there is a world also. Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) out of itself and again withdraws it into itself, likewise the mind projects the world out of itself and again resolves it into itself. When the mind comes out of the Self, the world appears. Therefore, when the world appears (to be real), the Self does not appear; and when the Self appears (shines) the world does not appear. When one persistently inquires into the nature of the mind, the mind will end leaving the Self (as the residue). What is referred to as the Self is the Atman. The mind always exists only in dependence on something gross; it cannot stay alone. It is the mind that is called the subtle body or the soul (jiva).

9. What is the path of inquiry for understanding the nature of the mind?

That which rises as ′I′ in this body is the mind. If one inquires as to where in the body the thought ′I′ rises first, one would discover that it rises in the heart. That is the place of the mind′s origin. Even if one thinks constantly ′I′ ′I′, one will be led to that place. Of all the thoughts that arise in the mind, the ′I′ thought is the first. It is only after the rise of this that the other thoughts arise. It is after the appearance of the first personal pronoun that the second and third personal pronouns appear; without the first personal pronoun there will not be the second and third.

10. How will the mind become quiescent?

By the inquiry ′Who am I?′. The thought ′who am I?′ will destroy all other thoughts, and like the stick used for stirring the burning pyre, it will itself in the end get destroyed. Then, there will arise Self-realization.

11. What is the means for constantly holding on to the thought ′Who am I?′

When other thoughts arise, one should not pursue them, but should inquire: "To whom do they arise?" It does not matter how many thoughts arise. As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence, "To whom has this thought arisen?". The answer that would emerge would be "To me". Thereupon if one inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense-organs, the gross names and forms appear; when it stays in the heart, the names and forms disappear. Not letting the mind go out, but retaining it in the Heart is what is called "inwardness" (antar-mukha). Letting the mind go out of the Heart is known as "externalisation" (bahir-mukha). Thus, when the mind stays in the Heart, the ′I′ which is the source of all thoughts will go, and the Self which ever exists will shine. Whatever one does, one should do without the egoity "I". If one acts in that way, all will appear as of the nature of Siva (God).

12. Are there no other means for making the mind quiescent?

Other than inquiry, there are no adequate means. If through other means it is sought to control the mind, the mind will appear to be controlled, but will again go forth. Through the control of breath also, the mind will become quiescent; but it will be quiescent only so long as the breath remains controlled, and when the breath resumes the mind also will again start moving and will wander as impelled by residual impressions. The source is the same for both mind and breath. Thought, indeed, is the nature of the mind. The thought "I" is the first thought of the mind; and that is egoity. It is from that whence egoity originates that breath also originates. Therefore, when the mind becomes quiescent, the breath is controlled, and when the breath is controlled the mind becomes quiescent. But in deep sleep, although the mind becomes quiescent, the breath does not stop. This is because of the will of God, so that the body may be preserved and other people may not be under the impression that it is dead. In the state of waking and in samadhi, when the mind becomes quiescent the breath is controlled. Breath is the gross form of mind. Till the time of death, the mind keeps breath in the body; and when the body dies the mind takes the breath along with it. Therefore, the exercise of breath-control is only an aid for rendering the mind quiescent (manonigraha); it will not destroy the mind (manonasa). Like the practice of breath-control. meditation on the forms of God, repetition of mantras, restriction on food, etc., are but aids for rendering the mind quiescent. Through meditation on the forms of God and through repetition of mantras, the mind becomes one-pointed. The mind will always be wandering. Just as when a chain is given to an elephant to hold in its trunk it will go along grasping the chain and nothing else, so also when the mind is occupied with a name or form it will grasp that alone. When the mind expands in the form of countless thoughts, each thought becomes weak; but as thoughts get resolved the mind becomes one-pointed and strong; for such a mind Self-inquiry will become easy. Of all the restrictive rules, that relating to the taking of sattvic food in moderate quantities is the best; by observing this rule, the sattvic quality of mind will increase, and that will be helpful to Self-inquiry.

13. Residual impressions (thoughts) of objects appear wending like waves of an ocean. When will all of them get destroyed?

As the meditation on the Self rises higher and higher, the thoughts will get destroyed.

14. Is it possible for the residual impressions of objects that come from beginningless time, as it were, to be resolved, and for one to remain as the pure Self?

Without yielding to the doubt "Is it possible, or not?", one should persistently hold on to the meditation on the Self. Even if one be a great sinner, one should not worry and weep "O! I am a sinner, how can I be saved?"; one should completely renounce the thought "I am a sinner"; and concentrate keenly on meditation on the Self; then, one would surely succeed. There are not two minds - one good and the other evil; the mind is only one. It is the residual impressions that are of two kinds - auspicious and inauspicious. When the mind is under the influence of auspicious impressions it is called good; and when it is under the influence of inauspicious impressions it is regarded as evil. The mind should not be allowed to wander towards worldly objects and what concerns other people. However bad other people may be, one should bear no hatred for them. Both desire and hatred should be eschewed. All that one gives to others one gives to one′s self. If this truth is understood who will not give to others? When one′s self arises all arises; when one′s self becomes quiescent all becomes quiescent. To the extent we behave with humility, to that extent there will result good. If the mind is rendered quiescent, one may live anywhere.

15. How long should inquiry be practised?

As long as there are impressions of objects in the mind, so long the inquiry "Who am I?" is required. As thoughts arise they should be destroyed then and there in the very place of their origin, through inquiry. If one resorts to contemplation of the Self unintermittently, until the Self is gained, that alone would do. As long as there are enemies within the fortress, they will continue to sally forth; if they are destroyed as they emerge, the fortress will fall into our hands.

16. What is the nature of the Self?

What exists in truth is the Self alone. The world, the individual soul, and God are appearances in it. like silver in mother-of-pearl, these three appear at the same time, and disappear at the same time. The Self is that where there is absolutely no "I" thought. That is called "Silence". The Self itself is the world; the Self itself is "I"; the Self itself is God; all is Siva, the Self.

17. Is not everything the work of God?

Without desire, resolve, or effort, the sun rises; and in its mere presence, the sun-stone emits fire, the lotus blooms, water evaporates; people perform their various functions and then rest. Just as in the presence of the magnet the needle moves, it is by virtue of the mere presence of God that the souls governed by the three (cosmic) functions or the fivefold divine activity perform their actions and then rest, in accordance with their respective karmas. God has no resolve; no karma attaches itself to Him. That is like worldly actions not affecting the sun, or like the merits and demerits of the other four elements not affecting all pervading space.

18. Of the devotees, who is the greatest?

He who gives himself up to the Self that is God is the most excellent devotee. Giving one′s self up to God means remaining constantly in the Self without giving room for the rise of any thoughts other than that of the Self. Whatever burdens are thrown on God, He bears them. Since the supreme power of God makes all things move, why should we, without submitting ourselves to it, constantly worry ourselves with thoughts as to what should be done and how, and what should not be done and how not? We know that the train carries all loads, so after getting on it why should we carry our small luggage on our head to our discomfort, instead of putting it down in the train and feeling at ease?

19. What is non-attachment?

As thoughts arise, destroying them utterly without any residue in the very place of their origin is non-attachment. Just as the pearl-diver ties a stone to his waist, sinks to the bottom of the sea and there takes the pearls, so each one of us should be endowed with non-attachment, dive within oneself and obtain the Self-Pearl.

20. Is it not possible for God and the Guru to effect the release of a soul?

God and the Guru will only show the way to release; they will not by themselves take the soul to the state of release. In truth, God and the Guru are not different. Just as the prey which has fallen into the jaws of a tiger has no escape, so those who have come within the ambit of the Guru′s gracious look will be saved by the Guru and will not get lost; yet, each one should by his own effort pursue the path shown by God or Guru and gain release. One can know oneself only with one′s own eye of knowledge, and not with somebody else′s. Does he who is Rama require the help of a mirror to know that he is Rama?

21. Is it necessary for one who longs for release to inquire into the nature of categories (tattvas)?

Just as one who wants to throw away garbage has no need to analyse it and see what it is, so one who wants to know the Self has no need to count the number of categories or inquire into their characteristics; what he has to do is to reject altogether the categories that hide the Self. The world should be considered like a dream.


22. Is there no difference between waking and dream?

Waking is long and a dream short; other than this there is no difference. Just as waking happenings seem real while awake. so do those in a dream while dreaming. In dream the mind takes on another body. In both waking and dream states thoughts. names and forms occur simultaneously.


23. Is it any use reading books for those who long for release?

All the texts say that in order to gain release one should render the mind quiescent; therefore their conclusive teaching is that the mind should be rendered quiescent; once this has been understood there is no need for endless reading. In order to quieten the mind one has only to inquire within oneself what one′s Self is; how could this search be done in books? One should know one′s Self with one′s own eye of wisdom. The Self is within the five sheaths; but books are outside them. Since the Self has to be inquired into by discarding the five sheaths, it is futile to search for it in books. There will come a time when one will have to forget all that one has learned.

24. What is happiness?

Happiness is the very nature of the Self; happiness and the Self are not different. There is no happiness in any object of the world. We imagine through our ignorance that we derive happiness from objects. When the mind goes out, it experiences misery. In truth, when its desires are fulfilled, it returns to its own place and enjoys the happiness that is the Self. Similarly, in the states of sleep, samadhi and fainting, and when the object desired is obtained or the object disliked is removed, the mind becomes inward-turned, and enjoys pure Self-Happiness. Thus the mind moves without rest alternately going out of the Self and returning to it. Under the tree the shade is pleasant; out in the open the heat is scorching. A person who has been going about in the sun feels cool when he reaches the shade. Someone who keeps on going from the shade into the sun and then back into the shade is a fool. A wise man stays permanently in the shade. Similarly, the mind of the one who knows the truth does not leave Brahman. The mind of the ignorant, on the contrary, revolves in the world, feeling miserable, and for a little time returns to Brahman to experience happiness. In fact, what is called the world is only thought. When the world disappears, i.e. when there is no thought, the mind experiences happiness; and when the world appears, it goes through misery.

25. What is wisdom-insight (jnana-drsti)?

Remaining quiet is what is called wisdom-insight. To remain quiet is to resolve the mind in the Self. Telepathy, knowing past, present and future happenings and clairvoyance do not constitute wisdom-insight.

26. What is the relation between desirelessness and wisdom?

Desirelessness is wisdom. The two are not different; they are the same. Desirelessness is refraining from turning the mind towards any object. Wisdom means the appearance of no object. In other words, not seeking what is other than the Self is detachment or desirelessness; not leaving the Self is wisdom.

27. What is the difference between inquiry and meditation?

Inquiry consists in retaining the mind in the Self. Meditation consists in thinking that one′s self is Brahman, existence-consciousness-bliss.

28. What is release?

Inquiring into the nature of one′s self that is in bondage, and realising one′s true nature is release.

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~Quotes~

Do not try to keep quiet,
do not make being quiet into a task to be performed.
Don't be restless about being quiet, miserable about being happy.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~[

One 'believes' that there is bondage and therefore seeks liberation.
But the fact is that there is no bondage but only Liberation.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The true Guru (honest person or pointer) will not estrange you from yourself.
He knows you need nothing, not even him, and is never tired of reminding you.

But the self-appointed Guru
is more concerned with himself than with his disciples...
All blessings come from within. Turn within. To that 'I' am you know.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

All that is required for Freedom is to understand what is being pointed to as Reality.
That is all, nothing else is necessary, no Guru at all, no teacher, no method and no practice.
The Self (consciousness) is not something to be acquired from others.
All that is necessary is to know its existence in you.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Here are few quotes from other people that have re-cognized their ordinary everyday true nature.
Only ignorance is the 'veil', nothing else is present but a cloud of acquired ignorance from others.
  Simply remove ignorance about yourself with understanding and voila!
You will only laugh at yourself because you will realize that you are and always been the Self.

The feeling that 'I' have not realised is the obstruction to realisation.
In fact it is already realised, there is nothing more to be realised.

Otherwise, the realisation will be new, it has not existed so far, it must take place hereafter.
What is born will also die. If realisation be not eternal it is not worth having.

Therefore what we seek is NOT that which must happen afresh.
It is only that which is eternal but not now known due to obstructions, it is that we seek.
All that we need do is to remove the obstruction.

That which is eternal is not known to be so
because of ignorance.

Ignorance is the obstruction.
Get over this ignorance and all will be well.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

To point to the simplicity of this timeless message of non-duality or no separation
and most of all, no becoming or reaching anything new whatsoever, nothing afresh or special,
but simply removing ignorance, nothing else and that is realizing that you are already Free,
you simply don't know it, understanding is realizing that you are already that.
You will only laugh at yourself, that is the only 'Realization'.

At one stage you will laugh at yourself for trying to discover the Self.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

No one can give you anything new for Freedom, because it is 'you'.
Being oneself naturally is always being 'Realized' and Free, aware of being present is IT.
To simply be aware of oneself is constant or unchanging consciousness and 'I' am.
One's unchanging being-ness or 'I' am-ness is at once being and consciousness.

The Guru cannot give you anything new, which you don’t have already.
Removal of the notion that we have not realised the Self is all that is required.
We are always the Self, only we don’t realise it.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Liberation is our very nature. We are that.
The very fact that we wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real nature.
It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to get rid of the false notion that we are bound.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Ignorant of this simple truth,
innumerable methods under different denominations, such as yoga, bhakti, karma,
each again with many modifications, are being taught with great skill and in intricate detail
only to entice the seekers and confuse their minds. So also are the religions and sects and dogmas.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

To find 'you' involves neither time nor means, the one who is dependent on seeking is veiled.
To seek 'you' is a remnant of separation and dispersion.

~ Abdullah Ansari ~
(11 th century)

Realisation is not the acquisition of anything new nor is it a new faculty.
It is only removal of all camouflage.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

There is no reaching the Self (consciousness). If the Self were to be reached,
it would mean that the Self is not here and now and that it is yet to be obtained.
What is got afresh will also be lost. So it will be impermanent.
What is not permanent is not worth striving for.

So I say the Self (consciousness) is not reached.
You are the Self, you are already that.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

You, being the Self (consciousness), want to know
how to attain the Self (consciousness).

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Make no effort, your effort is the bondage.
All that is required to realize the Self (consciousness) is to be still.
What can be easier than that?

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

No one denies one’s own existence
any more than one denies one’s eyes, although one cannot see them.
The trouble lies with your desire to objectify the Self (consciousness), in the same way 
as you objectify your eyes when you place a mirror before them.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

There is no goal to be reached. There is nothing to be attained.
You are the Self (consciousness).
You exist always.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Ego is not!
Otherwise do you admit of two selves?

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

If you seek the ego you will find, it does not exist.

That is the way to get rid of it.
Look for it and it will not be found.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Only remove ignorance. That is all there is to be done.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Be content with what you are sure of.
And the only thing you can be sure of is 'I' am. The only fact you are sure of is that you are.
The only clue you have is your certainty of being.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

Knowing the Self (consciousness) is being the Self, and being means existence,
one’s own existence. No one denies one’s own existence.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The experience is here and now. One cannot deny one’s own self.
Existence is the same as happiness and happiness is the same as being.
Why should one seek it?

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

If you want to be free. Get to know your real self.
It (consciousness) has no form, no appearance, no root, no basis, no abode,
but is lively and buoyant. Therefore when you look for it, you become further from it.
When you seek it, you turn away from it all the more.

~ Linji ~
(Chinese 9 th century)

It is impossible for anyone to get what he has not got already.
Even if he gets any such thing, it will go as it came. What comes will also go.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

We are 'imagining' we are bound and are making various, strenuous attempts to become free.
We will be surprised that we were frantically trying to attain something,
which we have always been and are.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The state we call Realisation is simply being oneself.
Not knowing anything or becoming anything.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The state of self-realisation, as we call it, is not attaining something new
or reaching some goal which is far away, but simply being
that which you always are and which you always have been.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

You wander restlessly from forest to forest
while the Reality is within your own dwelling.

~ Kabir ~
(15th Century)

The Self (consciousness) you seek to know is truly yourself.
Your supposed ignorance causes you needless grief
like that of the ten foolish men who grieved
at the loss of the tenth man,
who was never lost.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Know the Truth!
That the 'I' is not different from the Lord (consciousness)
.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Realisation is nothing to be gained afresh, it is already there.
All that is necessary is to get rid of the thought I have not realised.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

For whoever seeks God (consciousness) in some special way,
will gain the way and lose God who is hidden in the way.

But whoever seeks God without any special way,
finds Him as He really is... He (consciousness) is Life itself.

~ Meister Eckhart ~
(13th century)

Who am 'I'?
After all, the only fact you are sure of is that you are.
'I' am is certain.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

I cannot show you God (consciousness) or enable you to see God (consciousness)
because God (consciousness) is not an object that can be seen.
God (consciousness) is the subject. He (consciousness) is the seer.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Because you seek true (constant/unchanging) consciousness.
Where can you find it? Can you attain it outside yourself?
You have to find it internally. Therefore you are directed inward.
The heart is the seat of consciousness or
consciousness itself.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Call it by any name, God, Self, the heart or the seat of consciousness, it is all the same.
The point to be grasped is that this heart means the very core of one’s being.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Consciousness is indeed always with us.
Everybody knows 'I' am. No one can deny his own being.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

If you don't understand this consciousness itself, then you are in bondage
when you will understand what this (consciousness) is, then that is liberation.
Paradoxically you will realize that you are already liberated.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

The Self (consciousness) is God.
'I' am is God.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

All sentient (conscious) beings are essentially 'Buddhas'.
As with water and ice, there is no ice without water.
(No Life or existence without consciousness)
Not knowing how close the truth is, we seek it far away.
What a pity!

~ Hakuin Ekaku Zenji ~
( Japan 18th century)

Reality is at once being and consciousness.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The Self (consciousness) is not something to be acquired from others.
All that is necessary is to know its existence in you.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The Guru will say only what I am saying now.
It is impossible for anyone to get what he has not got already.
Even if he gets any such thing, it will go as it came. What comes will also go.
What always 'is' will alone remain.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

People want to see the Self (consciousness) as something new.
But it (consciousness) is eternal and remains the same all along.
They desire to see it as a blazing light etc.
How can it be so?

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Is there anyone who is not aware of himself?
Each one knows, but yet does not know the Self (consciousness).
A strange paradox!

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

There is no one that does not say 'I' am.
The wrong knowledge of 'I' am the body is the cause of all mischief.
This wrong knowledge must go.
That is the Realization.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The Self (consciousness) is ever present. Each one wants to know the Self.
What kind of help does one require to know oneself?

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

He (consciousness) is the unseen seer, the unheard hearer, the unthought thinker.
There is no other seer but He. No other hearer but He.
No other thinker but He. No other knower but He.
He is yourself.
The inner controller, the immortal, the imperishable.

~ Brihadaranyaka Upanishad~
(approx. 3500 years old.)

To the ignorant the 'I' is the self limited to the body.
To the wise, the 'I' is the Infinite Self (consciousness).

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

On enquiry 'who' is bound?
The notion of bondage vanishes and so does that of Liberation.
The one eternally free alone remains self-revealed.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

It is pure awareness of being. It is that 'I' am you know so well.
~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

Simple changeless being is one's true nature.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The state of pure being which is common to all and which is always
experienced directly by everybody is one's true nature.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

What have you to wait for when it is already here and now?
You have to only look & see. Look at your self, at your own being.

You know that you are and you like it. Abandon all imagining, that is all.
Do not rely on time, time is death, who waits dies. Life is now only!

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

Sought-after Truth is found
by not seeking it.

~ Longchen-pa ~
(14 th century)

You are awareness.
Awareness is another name for you.
Since you are awareness, there is no need to attain or cultivate it.

~ Ramana Maharshi ~

Just be aware that you are and remain aware.
You are aware anyhow, you need not try to be.

~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

'I' am is first hand and needs no proof.
~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

'I' am is the goal and final Reality.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

The best definition is 'I' am that 'I' am.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~

What you need is to be aware of being aware.
~ Nisargadatta Maharaj ~

The ultimate Truth is so simple.
~ Ramana Maharshi ~


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